1g help please

I have a 94 Eclipse GS with a starting problem.

Here is what happens: The engine with rotate, but will not start. I did have it started and it ran fine. I drove it around the block. After five minutes around the block I turned left and it cut out halfway thru the corner. It stalled, and I coasted into the alley. I turned everything off, then back on and it started right back up. I shut it off and it wont start. Anyone with ideas? I did get it to start again and went to drive off, but it stalled immediately.

I took the top bolt off the fuel filter and gas poured out. But could it still be a clogged filter. The filter was replaced almost a month ago.

Well, hope to here from someone soon.

you could have a rare case of walking crank in your 1g. but of course that is the worst case scenerio. have you tested your pump?

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ORIGINAL: patsevo8

you could have a rare case of walking crank in your 1g.

I hope your not serious. First 7 bolts do crank walk so its not rare, second yes his 4g63 is a 7 bolt, they were made from 93-99. Third its a non turbo, and the chances of a non turbo 4g63's crank walking is very unlikley.

First check for spark, ground the bottom of the plug to something metal in the bay and have someone crank it. If your not getting any spark it could be either your crank position sensor, cam angel sensor or you throttle position sensor as those are common items on these cars to cause this problem. However if you are getting spark then it could be your fuel. Key up the motor and have someone lay under the tank of the car to see if they can hear the fuel pump prime. If thats the case then take out the plugs as if you were to do a compression test and crank her over 4-8 times and if you can smell gas then its deff not your injectors. And if you do smell gas and have spark then you have a serious problem.

Either something to do with ignition (plugs or wires) or the crank position sensor.

I will check the spark. But one thing, are the plug wires suppost to be really hard to pull out of the holes? Just wondering cause the #4 plug is really hard and when i pulled on it the top of it came off, but the long black piece stayed on top of the plug. I checked for spark last wed. and it had it, but that was just one plug check.

Are the cam shaft sensor and crankshaft position sensor the same thing? I replaced the crankshaft postion sensor about two weeks ago, but it was from the local junkyard. Also, how would I be able to check if the throttle position sensor is bad?

I have my fuel pump hooked up to a shut off switch. But a friend and I were working on it yesterday and did not hear anything prime itself. Will the car still start and run for 20 mins. but still able to have the fuel pump go bad.

Hope to hear from someone soon. Thanks for all the help i have received up to now.

Yea sometimes they can be hard. You may have messed up that one plug that is now in 2 peices. No the cam and crank sensor are not the same thing. Im not really sure how to check the throttle position sensor though. Is it possible you got a crap one out of the junk yard?

The fuel pump might not be totally dead. It might work at like 50% potential and sometimes not work at all... so i guess its possible it could be bad but still slightly work.

If the cam and crank are not the same thing, could u please locate me in the right direction of where the two of them are on the car? I know that the crankshaft position sensor is located on the valve cover. Where is the cam sensor? Also in my book, the Haynes, stats that on the 2.0 the cam and crank sensor are the same unit.

So, i should get new wires and also replace the fuel pump? What else?


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a crank position sensor is on the back of the block, not the valve cover.... the cams are in the valve cover but the crank is under all of that. Some times haynes lies thats why I like chiltons.

Um... yea.... what he said LOL.

dude, 1g get walking crank. why would you think that they don't? did you know that toyato supras, mr2 and a few nissans also get walking cranks? probably not. i've been doing imports long before i could drive.
but anyways, back to the situation. have you been able to get the car started?

So it is on the back of the block? Can u help me pin point it out?

No I still have not been able to get the car to start.

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ORIGINAL: patsevo8

dude, 1g get walking crank. why would you think that they don't? did you know that toyato supras, mr2 and a few nissans also get walking cranks? probably not. i've been doing imports long before i could drive.
but anyways, back to the situation. have you been able to get the car started?

hes not saying they dont crankwalk, hes just sayin that the turbo is more likely to crankwalk than the N/A

6 bolts dont get crankwalk

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ORIGINAL: Sebba

6 bolts dont get crankwalk

hey has a 7-bolt . Its a 94.

But anyway. Just as a simple solution (because sometimes thats all it is) and this is just a hunch because i got this problem and couldnt figure out what it was. Check your battery connection and see if you have some bad corrosion or a bad terminal. Because i had the problem and it sounds like you have a power issue because when you turn your PS is taking some power and you said thats when it stalled. This might not even be the problem but its something to check

Thanks for all the help. I will check the corrosion on the battery cables. Sorry to say this, but in the chiltons book, it only shows the crankshaft in the 95-newer models. The cam/crank position sensor are the same thing. I am also going to change the fuel pump tonight. Any advice on doing this? I am going to buy new spark plug wires also and install my junkyard TPS. Hope to hear some more comments.

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ORIGINAL: patsevo8

dude, 1g get walking crank. why would you think that they don't? did you know that toyato supras, mr2 and a few nissans also get walking cranks? probably not. i've been doing imports long before i could drive.

Okay maybe I need to make my self a bit clearer. This is not a problem thats caused by crank walk. If crank walking were the problem in this case it would have failed mechanically and would have just stoped working all togather, not run and stall or even turn over for that matter. The car will still run/start with crank walk, unless it threw a rod. Thats why I asked if you were serious.

I know his car is a 7 bolt, and I know that every 7 bolt has the possiblity of walking the crank. But crank walk is cause mostly by heavy abuse on the bottom end. I know this is a race car but the non turbo 4g63 has different cams and lacks a turbo that its brother 7 bolt does, so his motor dosent see nearly as much compression as the 4g63t. The chances of that motor walking are 1 in a million... litterlay. Further more, not all 7 bolts walk, many stock 7 bolts have been dynoed making some where in the nebighorhood of 400hp with out any walking issues. In light of that I cant see this non turbo 4g63 making some 160hp(?) walking... unless it been deprived of oil

When it stalls, check for injector pulse while cranking. If there's none, you likely have a bad computer. The Capacitors tend to leak electrolyte all over the PC board causing erratic behavior. Super common in the 1G

Joel, CA

Hear is the update. Changed the fuel pump, spark plugs, plug wires (ACCEL 8MM), and O2 sensor. took it racing on saturday night. At first it would not stay running, stall after running for 5 min. So, we advanced the crankshaft sensor. It stayed running, but when I went into the corners, it would cut out like it was sloshing fuel away from the pump because when I got on the straightaways it was mad fast. Any ideas?

i was also told it was my baffel in the fuel tank. That it was busted and moving the fuel away from the pump. Just got done checking the fuel cell and baffel is not busted.

Please need ideas or input as soon as possible.

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ORIGINAL: patsevo8

you could have a rare case of walking crank in your 1g

what is crank walking???

use the search button or google.

that picture never gets old, haha

But if crank walk, why does it only cut out in the corners???? Since i only have a camshaft position sensor, how can I possibly check this?

its not crankwalk if you are running a non turbo.