93eclipsegsx
11/12/2006 4:48:59 PM
well i have my mind set on a 35r and i have been looking and i cant find an exhaust manifold for it anywhere, i know i should look longer but ive looked and i cant even find one so if anybody knows where i can find one let me know.
silvercoupe97
11/12/2006 5:01:32 PM
The exhaust manifold depends on which 35R series you get? You just have to look for that type of flange, T3, T4, T5, etc.. A good place to start are the normal DSM online shops like Extreme PSI or Slowboy. It will most likely need to be matched with a tubular manifold, unless you buy the flange and weld it onto a mitsu mani, but then, you're not utilizing the GT turbo to it's fullest.
93eclipsegsx
11/12/2006 6:03:38 PM
paintballproam
11/12/2006 7:41:34 PM
IMO its expensive. But it has a life time warenty and from what i know about your build, your gonna push that car to the max. So if you have the cash, BUY IT. Otherwise go with a DNP manifold.($450)
silvercoupe97
11/12/2006 7:57:59 PM
Speaking of, what are your mods? That's a big 'ol turbo. Do you plan on getting larger injectors, with a better than SAFC engine managing system (DSMLink)? I see in your pic that you have an FMIC, but list what you have IMO. This sounds like someone wanting a big turbo without the supporting mods or even a need for a big 'ol turbo yet. No offense.
paintballproam
11/12/2006 8:11:27 PM
hes got a big thread on here. He is building a stage 3 buschur racing engine. And last i knew, he was going with an AMS EMS
EMonz57
11/12/2006 8:30:39 PM
quote:
ORIGINAL: silvercoupe97
Speaking of, what are your mods? That's a big 'ol turbo. Do you plan on getting larger injectors, with a better than SAFC engine managing system (DSMLink)? I see in your pic that you have an FMIC, but list what you have IMO. This sounds like someone wanting a big turbo without the supporting mods or even a need for a big 'ol turbo yet. No offense.
He spun a bearing in is stock 7bolt a while back and has since been going buschur racing and I have talked with him alot on this as well I know he is def getting all the needed supporting mods to run a 35r... only thing I dont remember was if he did infact deside on the AEM EMS or not because he did talk about the SAFCII but that I dont think he should use.
I cant wait till this car is down woody.... you need to drive it our way and hang out cruise with us.
silvercoupe97
11/12/2006 9:13:58 PM
Cool, I don't mean to offend or disrespect. I just see a lot folks wanting more for less and cutting back on the more necessary items like in the fuel system. So, props for going at it full steam
and
Oh and I agree with the SAFC and a full build. Might as well go AEM EMS, although, there's a handful of folks running fully built motors with DSMLink.
estraw
11/12/2006 9:57:52 PM
quote:
ORIGINAL: paintballproam
IMO its expensive. But it has a life time warenty and from what i know about your build, your gonna push that car to the max. So if you have the cash, BUY IT. Otherwise go with a DNP manifold.($450)
price wont be so much an issue for this. my dad works with garret and some other turbo companies and will be able to get woody a deal on the manifold so the price should be a lot less
EMonz57
11/12/2006 10:17:55 PM
quote:
ORIGINAL: estraw
quote:
ORIGINAL: paintballproam
IMO its expensive. But it has a life time warenty and from what i know about your build, your gonna push that car to the max. So if you have the cash, BUY IT. Otherwise go with a DNP manifold.($450)
price wont be so much an issue for this. my dad works with garret and some other turbo companies and will be able to get woody a deal on the manifold so the price should be a lot less
Hook me up with some toys..... Come on what can he do for my VIII
estraw
11/12/2006 10:34:34 PM
i dunno man, he is into the diesel end of the automotive world. Garret is actually one of his company's competetors but he could probably get manufacturer's pricing on it. i kinda had to ask him like 20 times before he agreed to try to get woody discounted parts. so i dunno how well that would work out for you
93eclipsegsx
11/12/2006 11:02:23 PM
well heres what i got for the car as of now
buschur stage 3 block
buschur stage 3 head metal head gasket
arp throughout the whole motor
hks 272 intake and exhaust cams
balance shaft elimiator kit
greddy timing belt
aeromotive AFPR
walboro 255
all that stuff costed me aroung 5500 6000 so far so i mine as well go all the way. im not sure on the injector but i am deffinantly going the SAFC-II route. i already had a full auto timer on the car.
i got a question. if i go with an EMS i wont need the greddy profec-b spec II boost controller i got right? or do i need it.
and what should be the next couple things that i should get for my gsx?
EMonz57
11/12/2006 11:29:13 PM
DEF dont use the SAFCII as a long term tuning devise go with the AEM EMS. I dont think the EMS has boost controll it is a Tunable ECU full standalone And it is the best tuning devise you can get but you need Heavy tuning to run it well and you need to pay big money on getting it tuned
silvercoupe97
11/12/2006 11:30:48 PM
Is this going to be a track only car? Are you trying to make this a street car?
EMonz57
11/13/2006 12:11:23 AM
quote:
ORIGINAL: silvercoupe97
Is this going to be a track only car? Are you trying to make this a street car?
Not to speek for him but I think he intends to make a 10sec street driven car
TX97GST
11/13/2006 2:55:47 AM
quote:
ORIGINAL: silvercoupe97
Cool, I don't mean to offend or disrespect. I just see a lot folks wanting more for less and cutting back on the more necessary items like in the fuel system. So, props for going at it full steam and
Oh and I agree with the SAFC and a full build. Might as well go AEM EMS, although, there's a handful of folks running fully built motors with DSMLink.
I am one of those folks. I have a FP high compression 2.3 stroker being tuned by DSMLink. Don't get me wrong AEM is a great system, but for a non track only car I think Link can handle it and easier to use.
silvercoupe97
11/13/2006 3:21:44 AM
I agree. I like DSMLink, I don't know what I'd do without it really. I'm not really sure why everyone wants to go with a full stand alone like AEM with a built motor. They are awesome if you can find someone to pay to tune it for you. The guy that did my conversion used AEM EMS and he sold it because it was a PITA to tune. It's great having control over your entire system, but do you know what the sensor parameters are? All of them? Well, if not, they do have classes you can take to help you tune.
IMHO, that's a lot of crap to go through to have a street car running. It's a different story if you have an always WOT car though.
My vote goes towards DSMLink over the SAFCII (don't forget to get a GM MAF+T to help tune if you go with the SAFC and larger than 660cc injectors) and over AEM.
Just my view
EMonz57
11/13/2006 8:33:28 AM
AEM EMS will make more power in the end and be as safe as you can get if its tuned properly.
On the EVOs with a reflash or SAFCII you gain ~30WHP on a completely stock car with the tune only, But on the EMS they gain a little over 100HP on a completely stock EVO. More controll more fine tuning better running car plus you lose the MAF which is something when your running 10s your dont want restriting your car even though there are plenty of people do.
DSMlink is very good but I stand by the EMS I have seen to many good things come from it. Only down fall is tuning takes a while on a dyno. BUT in his case here he is going all out on the motor and everything why not go all out on tuning the car?? Just pay for someone to dyno tune the car then call it a day
silvercoupe97
11/13/2006 8:51:03 AM
quote:
ORIGINAL: EMonz57
AEM EMS will make more power in the end and be as safe as you can get if its tuned properly.
On the EVOs with a reflash or SAFCII you gain ~30WHP on a completely stock car with the tune only, But on the EMS they gain a little over 100HP on a completely stock EVO. More controll more fine tuning better running car plus you lose the MAF which is something when your running 10s your dont want restriting your car even though there are plenty of people do.
DSMlink is very good but I stand by the EMS I have seen to many good things come from it. Only down fall is tuning takes a while on a dyno. BUT in his case here he is going all out on the motor and everything why not go all out on tuning the car?? Just pay for someone to dyno tune the car then call it a day
I can agree with that. Here's an issue that he may hit though. Not all tuning shops can afford to send their folks to class to learn that AEM EMS system and how to tune different vehicles with it. Then there's that whole "would you trust that guy anyway?" thinking. It's not the tuner's car, why does he care if it's not 100%. He already got paid for being there, plus he's hungry and it's time for lunch. There's a guy here on the island with an EVO IX, a GT35R and EMS, he has no clue what he's doing with EMS. His tune is worse than crap. The only thing he has going for him is that GT35R. AMS, is most likely pretty irritated by that customer because he calls them all the time.
I not saying that Estraw is a big dummy at all, I will ask how much experience he has on tuning with something other than a SAFC.
My point with DSMLink is that it's fairly simple yet it controls a complex computer. It doesn't trick the computer with values, you just change them to what they need to be...you change the computer's value. It's not a stand alone, but it sure is damn close and without the headaches or downtime. For a street car, I'll stand by DSMLink as I'm sure you'll stand by EMS and agree to disagree.....Odd that the OP still wants to do the whole SAFCII thing though, lol.
estraw
11/13/2006 2:49:34 PM
quote:
ORIGINAL: EMonz57
Just pay for someone to dyno tune the car then call it a day
dude, with all the money hes spent with buschur they ought to dyno this beast for free
93eclipsegsx
11/13/2006 5:42:54 PM
quote:
ORIGINAL: EMonz57
quote:
ORIGINAL: silvercoupe97
Is this going to be a track only car? Are you trying to make this a street car?
Not to speek for him but I think he intends to make a 10sec street driven car
your right mike, thats what i want it to be. but ive always had it in the back of my mind of getting the ems or link. i have a lot of other things i want to figure out but since im settling on the 35r ill get it. and eric there is a lot more people who have spent more than 5000 with them, ive seen reciepts tacked on the wall for around 7000, and thats just for one visit. i ment i wasnt going to SAFC route if anybody caught that.the tuning guy at buschur i think i really good, i think hes got a low 10 street evo and david from buschur has a full interior running 9's, oh and it still has a/c.
can i run 10's with 500awhp? if not, around how much?
what size injectors should i get?
should i use alky injection?
paintballproam
11/13/2006 6:07:32 PM
i thought you wanted a fp3065?
