I WONDER.... - Page 2

silvercoupe97, if I wanted AWD it would be on my list of parts. First off the TT engine is not an AWD engine. There is no such thing as and ENGINE that is FWD or AWD. That stuff is determined by the tranny. Second of all, to do a FWD TT conversion of the AWD tranny all you have to do is weld the VCU. If i decided to go AWD, I would have to get a whole new rear subframe, driveshaft, transfer case etc etc which I GUARANTEE would cost more than welding a VCU. Thanks for your input tho. One more thing....I have approximately 200whp at the moment and I don't spin my wheels unless I am trying to....

Joel_CA, first off I checked ebay, and there are none of these cars half way through the TT swap. Second of all if you checked 3si there are approximately 40 FWD TT conversions and about 18 that are in progress....so obviously people aren't undertaking the process all the time. You also said that I should have a master plan before I do anything....look at the post i made, does that not look like a "plan" to you? Yea I might not have written everything down step by step but that's the stuff I keep in my head. Next up is State Emission's laws. I have a 95 3000GT and will be swapping in a first gen TT engine and tranny etc. In NC where I like if your car is 95 or older then you are a SAFETY only test...no emissions. That meant I could have a check engine light on and still pass as long as my muffler and crap aren't falling off my car. Thus, I can gut my precats or just run precat eliminators all together as long as I have 1 catalytic convertor of some sort on my car, I will pass. So I was thinking of MAYBE doing a 3" Hi-Flow from 3sx and doing my own piping from there. Sound good to you? And for the record, I am taking a realistic approach because I WILL make my dream happen. Thanks for your input though,

94 3kgt sl I think that is really cool how hard you worked to get your car. That alone shows me that if you want something bad enough then you will work to get it done and that is what the two of us will do. Don't get discouraged because your car is older. It still turns heads and when we do full 99Conversion/updates to the styling with good looking rims then our cars will look like they are brand new. The styling is timeless on our cars. Also, we both know that when we spank some dude in his stock VR4, he will be pretty sad and we will prove that even though a car is FWD, you can still run incredibly fast times even from a dig if you work hard to make sure that your car gets the power to the road.

I will keep you all posted on my progress. Look for something big around June/July 2007

thats true i dont really spin my tires that easily. these cars have a pretty good lsd to begin with. i understand you are going to put a better one in though mr. 3000. sounds awesome.
anyways, i only really spin my tires when i drop it to race my buddies mk2 supra. i onw him every time may i add. i only have like 161 whp too. must be the gearing set up.
yeah definately keep me posted.
lol...FWD TT all the way...Don't think it will work? Just make sure not to get owned lol. nice.

Hey man don't take offense to my advice. There may not be any incompletes on Ebay now, but trust me- many many of these projects have gone through the ringer. Not just the 3S, but also with Eclipse Turbo conversions, etc. That post was strictly for advice only. I am not in any way putting down your project. I only say to educate youself and have a master play layed out because of this post. Early in the stages and you're asking question you should already have been prepared for or know the answer to.

J

Ditto, please don't take offense to my opinion.
As for my comment, I think my post was misinterpreted.
GS-T vs. GSX, in stock form, the GSX will always beat the GS-T off the line and vice versa from a roll. I'm not making that up, it just is, lol. Different platform, same basis.
The original post was about "stock for stock" and my comment was based on stock for stock from what I know of the Eclipse GSX and GS-T. I can't base it on a FWD TT vs. AWD TT since they didn't come in FWD TT form. Again, from a dig, it's a matter of who gets off the line first and unless the FWD has slicks the AWD will have the advantage. From a roll, the FWD will have the advantage because it has less drivetrain loss. The AWD won't lose by much but it's still a loss. This comment is for the original question of who would win, this isn't to sway you to go with an AWD swap instead Mr.3000 That is what you asked in your original post, correct?
Also, I never stated the motor being an AWD motor, I know better than that, because I know that the 4g63t motor is swapped all day long from GS-Ts to GSXs and vice versa, so my comments aren't to sway you from your swap at all. I was only focused on your initial questions. The other FWD/AWD comment asking why. I just don't understand why one would want a FWD to be honest with you, I've owned several and one RWD. AWD is such an advantage in daily driving, especially in inclement weather, especially around town and once more power is added, you literally have to relearn how to drive. Btw, I don't think about racing every other car out there if you haven't picked up on that tone.

Also, I never said anything against a swap like this, I'm all for swaps. I'm just trying to understand. I guess a posted goal of your car would help me and others understand it better in here. After all, this is an "all cars" board, not 3si

Yes sorry if I seemed upset. I wasn't taking offense. My goal is to create a fast car that not only proves that FWD can still be made to contend but to prove others wrong that just cuz a car is a certain way stock doesn't mean that it can't be made into something great. I want FWD 1. because I really don't want a heavy car and doing an AWD conversion will make my car heavy and 2. I just think it hasn't been done much and it would be cool to have some more FWD TT's on the map. I agree an AWD car is alway going to be better for traction but I dunno...if I was going to do an AWD conversion....i should just go buy a VR4 b/c then my car will just be a clone and nothing really original. Plus 480+ WHP to the front wheels sounds like some crazy/scary fun hahahaha.

And in response to Joel_CA: That post is a few days old and I have learned quite a bit since then. And the fact that i don't know everything right now is why I haven't bought it yet. See...I plan to buy the parts and build the engine first before I ever put it in. I will be running my NA setup until it is all done. Which gives me more time to figure stuff out just INCASE i don't know everything at the beginning. When I drop my engine in, I will have the new turbo's on and prob a TDO4 kit, LSD in my transmission with solid engine mounts to hold it all in. I should be making around 475+hp to the front wheels hahaha....crazyness.

No worries
FWD cars are contenders, they always have been if done correctly. From a dig, FWD vs. RWD, the RWD may have an upper hand since the weight is transferred to the rear but at speed and if they have identical power, it's all a matter of how the driver..drives. I don't think it's good to match up FWD vs. AWD though. The only way an AWD car can beat a FWD at speed is with a bigger turbo or the FWD owner doesn't know how to "drive", lol. The bigger turbo is usually the case because most AWD owners know better, lol. When I "play" around it's usually from a dig...because I have a 4 spider center diff and aftermarket clutch...so I can rev high and do a quick slip. BTW, weight is easily overcome by power

Sounds like a good and obtainable goal and it sounds like you're on the right track with the research mindset..so geterdone! There's a lot of high powered FWD cars that would make you drool, lol. FWD aren't slackers IMO, just misunderstood and underrated at times, lol.

haha, then tell me why i cant help but beat my two buddies with supras off a dig. one has a mk2 and the other has a mk3. both are non turbo and, rwd like always. atually the mk2 with only 160 fly wheel hp gave me more of a fight than the mk3 that has alot more work done to it to increas the power to about 180whp.

pwnage... lol

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ORIGINAL: 94 3kgt sl

haha, then tell me why i cant help but beat my two buddies with supras off a dig. one has a mk2 and the other has a mk3. both are non turbo and, rwd like always. atually the mk2 with only 160 fly wheel hp gave me more of a fight than the mk3 that has alot more work done to it to increas the power to about 180whp.

Sounds like they can't drive to me. Or are telling me is that V8 Mustangs, that have more power, has more traction than those two that are N/A? Honestly, I couldn't tell you. The MK2 weighs in at ~3000lbs (160chp) while the MK3 ~3500lbs (180chp?), you are in at ~3500lbs (225chp) also. Were they auto, do they have LSDs? Don't you have an LSD with your SL? You also have 225chp. There's also weight variables that only you can account for since you raced them. So, why do you think you beat them? Looks to me that you have hp over those two...

yeah i think it's the hp over them. the mk3 has some cusom work, done himself. no supervision. haha. they both have brand new engines. the mk2 just put in a new 5mgte and hes running very strong. the mk2 put up more of a fight. haha. also they are both manual, as is mine and the mk3 and i both have lsd.
i think it's because of the gearing of my transmission. also i launched and he didn't but i still beat him by quite a bit by the time i was exitting 2nd gear. i would say 3 cars but im not completely sure.

Did you or the previous owner have a LSD installed? If not, your car does not have one, they come with an "open differential" from the factory.

mine has one. i didnt instal one myself. the car did come factory with the dif. i believe it's on my owner's manual. idk.