Nav Head Unit Pulled - NEW UPDATE with PICS - Page 3

Check out the $50 iPod cable:
http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/lancer/08/trims.do#accessoriesTab
 
 

I don't have an iPod but looking at the label "MP3/iPod" cable tells me this could be just the regular headphone jack-to-RCA cable. And you can easily get one/make one for much less. For XLS with RF sound hooking up then would be easier, but for those without the RCA jacks, an easy "hack" has been posted here before.

It's just a bad sub to use your iPod.

For 50$ it is more than likely just an aux input jack. Its not the whole set up where you plug it into the bottom of your ipod and it chargers it for you.

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ORIGINAL: antlip

For 50$ it is more than likely just an aux input jack. Its not the whole set up where you plug it into the bottom of your ipod and it chargers it for you.

Um.....That's what I'm trying to say.........the same $50 cable is $9.00 at Radio Shack

Well it could be a coule different wires. 1 being the head phone jack to RCA calbes 2 being the head phone jack to head phone jack. I have never been in the 08 lancer so I cant tell you what one it is. Like JMC said radio shack sells them, circuit city has them, and best buy. They are a common cable and no matter what one it is the price will be under 10$. Unless you buy the monster brand that is about 35$ and sounds the same. But why stop there go for the 50$ mitsubishi cable. Your choice.

It's a huge mark up!

 
thats soooo sad...

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ORIGINAL: rdenis

Okay, upon further review of the MMCS schematics, the MMCS has a separate line network for the rear camera.  It does not run through the CAN Box.  It should recognize the signal when input to the appropriate connector.  It also appears the interrupt is built into the circuit, which means the MMCS should display the camera view when reverse gear is engaged.

As for my satellite radio adventures, I may have hit the showstopper - all the ETACS-ECU's are coded at the factory and one of the codings is vehicle destination which means, it is possible (maybe even probable) that Canadian headunits will never be able to recognize a sat radio tuner, even with Mit's $5,000 scan tool.  Its not a dead issue yet but its close.

I will keep you posted.

Any updates ?
I was wondering if you were successful in getting a rear view camera integrated into the MMCS. Thanks!

Sorry, got distracted with the mirror install but I am back on it.  Here is a short update of where I am at:
 
The way typical rear camera systems work is they send an interrupt signal between the GPS computer and the nav unit so the display automatically switches from the "map" view to the rear display.  I don't know for sure if this is the way ours is configured but as a betting man I'd say probably.  So I am now trying to determine where the interrupt takes place, testing individual pins (there are about 25 to test).  If the results of this testing do not yield intended results, then the next step is to take the MMCS apart - there are two openings on the printed ciruit board which may force the interrupt.
 
A lot of this is careful trial and error (so as not to fry something) based on somewhat educated guesswork - it would be synch if I actually had the schematics of the Japanese version of the MMCS (of course I'd first have to learn how to read Japanese!)
 
 

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ORIGINAL: rdenis

Sorry, got distracted with the mirror install but I am back on it.  Here is a short update of where I am at:

The way typical rear camera systems work is they send an interrupt signal between the GPS computer and the nav unit so the display automatically switches from the "map" view to the rear display.  I don't know for sure if this is the way ours is configured but as a betting man I'd say probably.  So I am now trying to determine where the interrupt takes place, testing individual pins (there are about 25 to test).  If the results of this testing do not yield intended results, then the next step is to take the MMCS apart - there are two openings on the printed ciruit board which may force the interrupt.

A lot of this is careful trial and error (so as not to fry something) based on somewhat educated guesswork - it would be synch if I actually had the schematics of the Japanese version of the MMCS (of course I'd first have to learn how to read Japanese!)

 
I have a few spare cameras (non backup types) I would have no troubles tearing into... and I do know some friends that speak and read Japanese if you *really* need something translated, but if you have a good educated guess just tell me which wires to try, after all it *is* still under warrenty.
 
There is someone here that has it working, (I forget the name) I suppose if they told us which wires they are connected to that would save us all some time and effort as well, I am not sure the effort involved in removing the unit to look, or perhaps calling the shop that did the work and asking exactly which wires they connected to.  I am sure we could return the favor  in the future.
 
I am just not willing to pay the high prices to have someone else install it, as most of it is labor, as it is hard work to pull the cable all the way from the back. I guess if I do it myself it would probably cost ~$175, and if I paid a shop it would be closer to $500
 
Otherwise I am willing to try and get this working, and willing to post my results if I do get it working.
 
I was going to do the backup sensors like I did in my truck, but I feel that the camera may be a much better solution in this vehicle.  Especially if the Navi is already setup for it, although the camera will probably be ~$150 more if I do it all myself.
 
thanks...
 
Scott

I paid to have it done..end of story. It's much better than fooling around with wires you don't even know what to do with. It wasn't much to put in...less that the camera.

If this is true what you say, I am much closer to figuring this out.  I'll know somtime tonight whether this works or not.  By the way, how much did you pay for the install and how long did it take them - this is not a routine installation, not even close....

$175...it must have taken them all day. I dropped it off in the AM and picked it up after work in the PM. I really think I have such a special Outlander...it does things that seem impossible.

175$ seems high. Did they just rewire things or install parts?

Still haven't found a solution to this.  I'm trying to get some techincal info out of Mits if they will share it but I'm not holding my breath.

JMC will you pull your unit and take some pictures and see what the installer spliced into?

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ORIGINAL: uscwrollins

JMC will you pull your unit and take some pictures and see what the installer spliced into?

That would be a good thing to do. rdenis already showed us what's supposed to be on the back of that Navi, so it won't require rocket science to figure things out.

Actually, if JMC would show us any pictures of his 'special' Outie I'd be less of a skeptic.  Despite him saying he will provide pictures of his various mods, he has yet to do so.  So far he claims 1) he has a backup camera that integrates with the Nav system, 2) his Nav system will display DVD's while driving, and 3) he bought side step bars for $120.  So show us some pics.

If he doesn't want to pull his Nav unit, there is another way to know:

1)  Hold down the 'Set' button and 'Nav' button simultaneously for 3.5 seconds.  This will take you into the Service Information screen.  Lots of cool info in here.
2)  About three or four touch screen butons down is the 'Network/Line Settings' option.  Touch this.
3)  You will now have a list of connected equipment including the 'Rear Camera'.  It will either say NA, NG or Ok.

Should be easy enough to take a picture of this screen.

I feel like I am so close and yet so far.  What I definitively know is the reverse signal circuit joins the MMCS via terminal 24 on connector C-9.  In addition the video input coming from the rear display to the MMCS is terminal 47 on connector C-7.
 
The only other input I need is the signal from the camera that it is active which would force the interrupt to display the rear camera.

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ORIGINAL: rdenis

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The only other input I need is the signal from the camera that it is active which would force the interrupt to display the rear camera.

 
I am just talking theory here... but wouldn't the camera be live all the time? (I mean with the car on) and the Nav unit responsible for switching the display on?  I.E. when in reverse.  So then you wouldn’t need any other special connections for the camera.  The camera would just need power and to have it’s video output connected to the Nav at 47 C-7 ??
 
Please tell me if I am way off base here…
 
Scott

No you're not necessarily way off base.  It all depends how the interrupt is generated and recognized.  e.g. In our 06 Odyssey, the camera turns on when the rear signal lights are powered.  The camera then sends an interrupt signal to the headunit which switches from Nav display to camera display.
 
What I am trying to do now is get the MMCS to, at the very least, recognize a camera is connected.  The good thing is it does not use the CAN bus communication protocol so I don't need to have it activated like the satellite radio does. 

So wait...you want me to pull the Navi so you can see if I'm telling the truth? Why don't you just worry about yr ride and do it yourself if you don't believe me. If what I paid seems too much then that's my problem. I've done all the same mods on my 1st Gen which I showed pics as proof...where were all you new guys then? I'm not here to BS anybody...so get off my case. I'm sorry you're so lame that you can't get the same things done.

How about help the group out and take some pictures of what the installer did?

Why can't you guys go to a place and get it done or ask some questions to an installer? I don't want to pull my Navi at all.....