Nav Head Unit Pulled - NEW UPDATE with PICS - Page 4

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So wait...you want me to pull the Navi so you can see if I'm telling the truth? Why don't you just worry about yr ride and do it yourself if you don't believe me. If what I paid seems too much then that's my problem. I've done all the same mods on my 1st Gen which I showed pics as proof...where were all you new guys then? I'm not here to BS anybody...so get off my case. I'm sorry you're so lame that you can't get the same things done.

I think he didn't mean that at all. I think he only meant to know where the RCA signals go. But hey, this is Spaaaarrtaaaa, errr, America, so we're free to do what we want or do not want. If you do not want to do it, that's perfectly OK. A "no" is a no, so we get the message loud and clear.

I just see no reason to pull out my navi to find out where the camera was connected when you can just go to get it done like I did. What if I pull the Navi and something happens? I really doubt anybody here will give a shizz or help me out.

I think this issue here is there is a lot of people here that are *very* interested in getting this done.  Many of us do not have access to shops that have this level of expertise.  I for one have called 4 local shops here, and received the same answer from each, which was they have no idea how to do it.  The dealer had no clue as well.
 
The only clue that it can be done is from this forum, the 'hidden serivce menu' and JMC, and so we are looking for as much information as possible. Pulling the radio is simple.  If you were close I would offer any assistance needed. (I near Sacramento)
 
I would have no problems calling the shop you went to and finding out what they did, please feel free to PM/email me that info. I could then try this and pass on the info to the forum here. 
 
 
Thanks,
 
Scott

As I mentioned, you don't need to pull your Navi.  Just post a picture of the Service Mode screen as I detailed above.

Yeah I'm throwing down the BS flag.

Okay there is a "fudge" solution available but is not ideal.  The auxilliary video input is located on connector C-8.  It only has three terminals (31, 32, 33) - of which two are used - video input (32 - blue wire) and shielded ground (33 - Black/blue).  If you wire a backup cam into here, you need to hit the 'Rear Display' option each tme - it is not automatic. 

However, if you have a DVD playing in the RES the MMCS will override the Aux input and display the DVD.  The video input here is terminal 47 on C-7 so you could wire in a switching circuit to ensure you always get the rear camera feed when putting into reverse.  Doesn't solve the issue of having to physically select the rear display mode when backing up though.
 
Finally, you need to keep your speed under 6 km/hr (4 mph) otherwise you get the dreaded 'black screen of death', ie. "The rear display cannot be displayed while driving" or something to that effect.

 
FWIW.  Still waiting to hear back from Mits.

I was looking at the specs on the Pioneer camera, and it is a very simple 3 connection unit. Ignition power, ground and video out, so it would seem the solution is simple.  Considering the shops I called all talked to aftermarket houses and no one makes an adapter for our vehicles it would seem that we could just 'plug in' this unit and it would "automagically" work.  Since the video puts out ~1v p-p perhaps the Nav unit detects that on the rear camera circuit.
 
I for one am willing to try, as the work around it not really a good option as I don't have the rear DVD.
 
I will order myself up one of those Pioneer units, and if I some time this weekend perhaps I will do some testing with some of my spare cameras.  The Pioneer's specs are very standard (except for the reverse image thing)
 
Are you sure about the pin-outs?
 
And is the reverse circuit stuff already connected?  so that if the camera is detected the unit should auto switch?
 
Thanks,
 
Scott
 
(rdenis if you want to PM/email me we can work this offline and bring a solution back to the forum, you have already laid the ground work, and you have the diagrams  I am willing to tear into the dash and test )

I think we posted almost at the same time.  You will be able to wire the Pioneer Cam in through the C-8 connector - it is pretty much in the middle of the Nav Unit.  FWIW, C-8 is the auxilairy input so it won't matter if you have the rear display or not.  It receives its signal from the rear display from D-16 Terminal 35 which I don't have the output voltage for but I would presume is also ~1v p-p - this is not confirmed, so maybe you are on to something.
 
The reverse signal is already connected so it should auto switch.  You can confirm this by going into the service menu and selecting the first option "Vehicle Signal".

Can you tell me if there are already pins or wires in the connectors?  Or will I need something to connect there?

Do you also have a better picture of the connectors, and which is pin 1, and which direction they are numbered, or perhaps some reference wires.  I.E. pin 1 is green to ground...  I really hate to wire blind, all my other vehicles have wiring diagrams.  I wish I had one here.

Thanks,

Scott

Yeah the wires are all there - splice your video signal into the blue wire on terminal 32 on C-8.  Ground to the chassis or terminal 33 on C-8 (Black/Blue wire).  You can get power from the connector C-9 (right next to C-8) off of terminal 21 (red wire).  There are only 5 terminals on C-9. 
 
Check the input voltage on the camera - some are less than 12 volts.

To clarify - the Mits numbering system on its connectors is not representative of the number of terminals.  For example, connector C-8 (Video auxilliary) only has three terminals of which two are utilized.  But they aren't numbered teminal 1,2,3 but rather, 31, 32, 33 from right to left (from harness point of view) or left to right (from MMCS point of view).  Terminal 31 is open, terminal 32 is Video and has a blue wire and terminal 33 is shielded ground which is a black wire with blue stripe.

Here, hope this clarifies:
 

I love how the new guys just say crap all the time....I'm so sorry that you can't find a shop to get this done. Why don't you ask Mommy and Daddy for some loot? I'm sure they'll help out. Why can't anybody else figure this out? Here's what I did....I took the Pioneer camera and went to my freind's audio place. He put the camera in and it works so there is no need for me to ask them how they got it to work.
Just figure this ish out and stop calling my business B.S. Again...where were you cool guys when I was here with my first Gen?
 
 

Hey, I just asked to see a picture of your Nav Service Menu.  Next you will be telling us your Outie has a flux capacitor and can travel through time...

I  doubt that.........you are really asking for it.

Just because I'm calling you out you feel the need to make idle threats....  Come on JMC, show us a picture and make this all go away.

I'll get on it for sure...but still, you are one of the worst people I've even dealt with. I really wish nothing but the worst for you. I'll make sure you see what I've done so you can ask more stupid questions that I won't answer. I can't believe you think the new Outlander is so complex that I'm giving you BS about Mods. Grow up eh....
 

Such ill will towards fellow man.  Not sure why your undies are so bunched but I'm not going to hold my breath.  Hey if you needed help with something I would be more than willing to give you a hand or share some insight.

First off.......I don't wear undies..so there goes that. I only have ill will for you. I'll pass on your help and insight..I'd rather not deal with you at all. Like I said before ...you are the worst person to deal with and I really wish you nothing but the worst in life. I'm happy knowing the mods are real and that's all I need. You can say BS to me all you want....but you'll still have to figure things out on your own.
have a great weekend.

Ahhhg, too much info, but hey, no hard feelings.  If you ever need some help I'm more than willing to give you a hand.

You can help me out with all my BS mods! Wow...being 16 is great! Maybe I'll watch some SpongeBob on DVD as I drive to see you?

Have the meds kicked in yet?  Maybe you should up the dosage.

Yeah…that’s a good one man. I’m so glad you’re here to put me in my place!

I'm getting bored with this - can we get this thread back on topic now.  Thanks.

No problem...just make sure you take some time this weekend and go see somebody about getting a camera put in and then tell me it's so hard to have done. I still wish you nothing but the worst.