Nav Head Unit Pulled - NEW UPDATE with PICS - Page 6

 
 
Not married nor do I have kids yet. Im 22 and still dont have my balls in a jar on a shelf.

hehehe.... I hate you...

Today Scott Bessel and I got on the phone and brainstormed the rear camera - SUCCESS!!  Scott's going to give a full writeup of his install once completed but here are the Head Unit connection requirements:

First there is a "unspecified connector" on the rear of the head unit.  It is on the top right in the following picture with 5 wires going in, from left to right, pink, white, orange, black, yellow.  This "unspecified connector" is nowhere in the Mits service manual and in fact does not go anywhere!  It terminates at intermediary connector C-19.  However, after testing the head unit pins, the orange pin has 75 ohm impedance and is video in.  Black is ground.



Scott figured out by grounding the yellow wire, it would allow the Nav unit to recognize a "Camera" connection. 



Once grounded, go into the Service Menu and voila - the Camera Settings option is now available:



Select "Camera Setting" and it gives you a green grid which superimposes over the backup cam picture allowing you to calibrate precisely where your vehicle is in relation to the camera picture.



The really cool thing is once you put the car in reverse, it automatically switches to the backup camera view.  Awesome!

(I actually don't have my camera yet as I tested with the handheld videogame Ms. Pacman via composite video - now everytime I put it in reverse, Ms. Pacman comes up on my screen!).

BTW - the orange wire is video in so connect that to your camera.

Damn! You and Scott are studs, rdenis! Great job on figuring this out. Now the only problem we have left is getting an easy way to run wire to the trunk, unless that orange wire already goes to there.....

Nope it doesn't go there - as I noted, it terminates at C-19 which is one of the white harnesses that kind of hangs off the Head Unit chassis.  You're going to have to wire it either along the headliner or floor.

By the way, now that we have solved the backup camera issue, theoretically, shorting out the reverse signal wire (Red/black) pin 24 on connector C-9 and then jumping rear video in from Pin 47 (sky blue wire) on Connector C-7 to the orange wire, should allow you to play a DVD on the rear entertainment system while you are driving.  You could mount a switch selector to go between the rear camera and the rear display so you don't have competing inputs.  I think I'll try this out next!
 
Still not sure how one could get a DVD in the front head unit to play while driving though.

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ORIGINAL: rdenis

By the way, now that we have solved the backup camera issue, theoretically, shorting out the reverse signal wire (Red/black) pin 24 on connector C-9 and then jumping rear video in from Pin 47 (sky blue wire) on Connector C-7 to the orange wire, should allow you to play a DVD on the rear entertainment system while you are driving.  You could mount a switch selector to go between the rear camera and the rear display so you don't have competing inputs.  I think I'll try this out next!

Still not sure how one could get a DVD in the front head unit to play while driving though.

 
... except wouldn't you have the backup overlay on the screen?  I know some people wouldn't mind, although it would bother my kids

beat it with a hammer... works everytime
 

Good point - maybe we can figure out a way to turn it off. 

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Nope it doesn't go there - as I noted, it terminates at C-19 which is one of the white harnesses that kind of hangs off the Head Unit chassis.  You're going to have to wire it either along the headliner or floor.

That answers my previous question, if the US Outlander was prewired for the backup camera. Now, if only that VR-3 has a Video out option on its small camera, then we don't need to run wires all the way from the back. Costco sell them for 89$. I don't know if someone has bought one before. Although I can see from the side of the in-dash monitor, there is a 3.5mm jack, and I would presume it's a video out, but I can't confirm it.

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Still not sure how one could get a DVD in the front head unit to play while driving though.

Have you found a connector with a speed sense wire?

I wish I had the schematic, cause I'd pull the unit this weekend and play with it.

On a side note, great job on locating the video input for the backup camera!

The speed sensor wire is terminal 13 on C-10 (red/green wire).  But you can't just disconnect it because the system also uses the GPS to determine speed.  You can watch a DVD at any speed by disconnecting the speed sensor wire AND unplugging the GPS antennae but then:
 
a)  Nav system is f*cked
b)  Mileage calcs, etc. are f*cked
c)  Speed calcs, etc.are f*cked
However, at least you can watch a movie while driving around in circles completely lost!

RDENIS how do you get to that service screen? I went out and played with mine today and couldnt find it. Almost 3 months have gone by and I have yet to come across that one.

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ORIGINAL: rdenis

Nope it doesn't go there - as I noted, it terminates at C-19 which is one of the white harnesses that kind of hangs off the Head Unit chassis.  You're going to have to wire it either along the headliner or floor.

That answers my previous question, if the US Outlander was prewired for the backup camera. Now, if only that VR-3 has a Video out option on its small camera, then we don't need to run wires all the way from the back. Costco sell them for 89$. I don't know if someone has bought one before. Although I can see from the side of the in-dash monitor, there is a 3.5mm jack, and I would presume it's a video out, but I can't confirm it.

 
I tested the VR3 - its a piece of ****.  The 3.5mm jack is actually the power cord to the monitor.  The camera itself only has about an 85 to 90 degree viewing angle - imagine cupping your hands around your eyes - thats about the view angle you get.  Also, once you move the camera more than a foot or two away from the monitor, the monitor flicker is very annoying. 

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RDENIS how do you get to that service screen? I went out and played with mine today and couldnt find it. Almost 3 months have gone by and I have yet to come across that one.

 
Hold 'Set' and 'Navi' simultaneously for 3.5 seconds.

Awesome research rdennis.
 
I bought a wide angle infrared backup camera on eBay to test it out, super cheap at only $40. I'm thinking about mounting it in the rear spoiler to the left side of the 3rd stoplight. Since my car is white I will apply black vinyl to the back side of the wing to hide the camera better.
 

 
 

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Awesome research rdennis.

I bought a wide angle infrared backup camera on eBay to test it out, super cheap at only $40. I'm thinking about mounting it in the rear spoiler to the left side of the 3rd stoplight. Since my car is white I will apply black vinyl to the back side of the wing to hide the camera better.

Wouldn't that be too high? How about putting near the license plate lights? I think this is where the original backup cam is located.

Anybody sourced out part numbers for the Mitsubishi OEM backup cam?

Looks like Mits OEM camera is MZ607361 available for 54,600 Yen whcih is about $460 USD.  Seems about right I know Honda charges around $500 for its rear camera.

Thanks, this should be easier to ship. I hope to find some long lost friends in Japan to score me one.

good price.. I for one want to see how it turns out!

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The speed sensor wire is terminal 13 on C-10 (red/green wire).  But you can't just disconnect it because the system also uses the GPS to determine speed.  You can watch a DVD at any speed by disconnecting the speed sensor wire AND unplugging the GPS antennae but then:

a)  Nav system is f*cked
b)  Mileage calcs, etc. are f*cked
c)  Speed calcs, etc.are f*cked
However, at least you can watch a movie while driving around in circles completely lost!

RD,

I'm assuming you already disconnected the wire to try?  Have you disconnected both with success?

In addition, I'm not to concerned about the Nav right now, seeing as I live in a major urban city that's damn near impossible to get lost in.

Yes, disconnecting both speed sensor and GPS will allow you to play a DVD while driving at any speed. 
 
I first tested twice with just the speed sensor wire disconnected - first time it worked  for a a minute or so and didn't seem impacted by the speed (I was travelling from stop to about 50 km/hr) but then the GPS computer kicked it.  Second time, GPS kicked it as soon as I hit 6 km/hr.  I attribute the result of the first test to being a bit of a fluke as I had just pulled out of the garage and the GPS was probably still acquiring the signal.

Wow...

Another of Rdenis' threads pinned to the top for having great useful info.

Thanks for the tip. I guess at 90$ you really get what you pay for. And I read from the brochure that cellphones (and othe radio devices) also interfere with the video signal. Probably not a good idea at all.