Should i Get a VR4? - Page 2

Yeah its possible. Its very commonly done too.

Well if that person has the reciepts then its highly unlikely to be a scam. The guy sounds like he knows what he is doing because he uses very well known parts that i personally recomend to people when they are building a similar setup.

If this was a scam... then the person would have had to do months of research in order to know those things lol.

Looks clean to me.

Granted, its not the best looking.... but for the cash you cant to better.

Ok, but isn't the reliablilty going to be not as good as some other car due to it being almost totally custom? What about insurance and gas?

Gas will be very dependant on how you drive. You can get as much as 27 mpg (i did in the GST) or as little as 19.
 
No thats the beauty of it. Since the engine has forged internals they are extremely tough

Trust sebba he is really good at his age (and curses him for the g35! damn sexy car!!!!), but if what this people said (who all have valid points) didnt get the vr4 out of your mind, in my sane mind and only my 2 cents..... id recommend you'd keep the money and buy a used old car.... not very reliable, but it will force you to learn all the basics and stuff, and then get your dream car, when you think you can understand most of the cars inner working. I started rough on a 83 gti, and i do know now a bit more about engines than the average at my city.... you have to learn how to walk before you can run.... but if you really wanna start on the fast lane, something like that talon looks great, the 2g is really a mod friendly car. Cheers :)

Thanks!
 
Although being 16 i can kinda relate to the dude. You dont want your first car to be something you hate. You want it to be something you want.. and something you will love for the rest of your life. Getting to school and back is going to be important.. something unreliable isnt going to cut it... not to mention a beater is not a poon magnet.. and in h/s thats important.
 
Just get to know the car before you do anything crazy eh?

Ya, lol, i'm not stupid.
 
I talked to some other people, and they actually said that camaros are very reliable, and the syncro problems are that big of a problem. They said modded DSMs can be somewhat sketchy because if the guy cut any corners on some parts, they may break, and that would kinda suck, and overall.  They said the camaro would probably be a better choice if i'm worried about reliability..................idk........

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ORIGINAL: Sebba

Thanks!

Although being 16 i can kinda relate to the dude. You dont want your first car to be something you hate. You want it to be something you want.. and something you will love for the rest of your life. Getting to school and back is going to be important.. something unreliable isnt going to cut it... not to mention a beater is not a poon magnet.. and in h/s thats important.

Just get to know the car before you do anything crazy eh?

You wanna know whats actually crazy? it worked the other way round for me.... some girls actually liked my car (mostly cuz it was DEAD loud... broken muffler hahaha and cuz the b3 gti is fast for a tier 1 car) and i HATED mitsus for having everything up cramped in the engine bay... now i got rid of the rabbit and i miss it like ****, and love the eclipse at the same time (in fact im getting the 83 rabbit back, for like 200dlls i hope ^^) it was REALLLY unreliable... and i hated that at the time, but now im thankful for it :) and btw seems the kid is really going for in a camaro now haha

Bah depends who you are asking. If you are asking a redneck obviously he is going to give you a bias opinion.
 
I have been totally honest with you and have done my best to give both sides of the playing field.
 
The LS1 Camaros have extremely good engines... but the trannys suck. Thats a fact... coming from many poeple at LS1 Tech. Modded DSMs are only sketchy if the person is a ricer with a big ass wing and a fart can. This car was in no way built by a ricer. How can you cut corners on parts? They are all reputable companies that are well known.. and in fact some of them where on my moms GST... never one break.
 
If reliability is your main concern then yes... i think the camaro is slightly better. I say this only because they have good motors but junk transmissions. The interiors suck and is built poorly and they handle like ass... take my word for it.. driving a RWD car is extremely hard even with small amounts of power. Especially for your first car.
 
Think about it. That car has a race motor... that can withstand over 600hp... and its running half that. Not to mention it has a race transmission too.. so thats not likely to break either.
 
Honestly, the only way to find out exactly what you need to know about a car is ask someone that is familiar with them. Thats why i went to LS1 Tech and asked them. I have passed on the information word for word to you. What im trying to say is, some average guy is not going to be as well informed as someone that deals with these cars all the time.

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ORIGINAL: Sebba

Thanks!

Although being 16 i can kinda relate to the dude. You dont want your first car to be something you hate. You want it to be something you want.. and something you will love for the rest of your life. Getting to school and back is going to be important.. something unreliable isnt going to cut it... not to mention a beater is not a poon magnet.. and in h/s thats important.

Just get to know the car before you do anything crazy eh?

You wanna know whats actually crazy? it worked the other way round for me.... some girls actually liked my car (mostly cuz it was DEAD loud... broken muffler hahaha and cuz the b3 gti is fast for a tier 1 car) and i HATED mitsus for having everything up cramped in the engine bay... now i got rid of the rabbit and i miss it like ****, and love the eclipse at the same time (in fact im getting the 83 rabbit back, for like 200dlls i hope ^^) it was REALLLY unreliable... and i hated that at the time, but now im thankful for it :) and btw seems the kid is really going for in a camaro now haha

 
HAHAHAHA funny! Well, not my thing but if it works for you bro! lol.
 
Yeah he seems pretty set on the Camaro. I can only pass on what i know to be fact... and thats the facts. Its upto him.

Actually not set on anything, i'm just poking around for now; i don't want to get a car, then regret getting it later. The guy who i asked was on another forum, and he has a laser with the same setup as you suggested; so i think he would know about modded DSM......but your right, he probably wouldn't know as much about camaros other than hearing a lot of stuff about them.

I already know the camaro handles like crap; it is a typical American muscle car, what do you expect, lol.

Do you guys know of a good car forum that is for all types of cars? I need some more unbiased opinions.

OH ya, and do you have a link to the thread you made on the LS1 Tech forum?
 
Oh ya #2: Thanks for answering my questions!!

Damn im sorry it was LS1.com... and no i cant find it for some reason.
 
Well maybe i wasnt being specific enough. The ones that have ****ty transmissions are the Manual Trans 98-2001 cars from what they told me. And those are the only ones that are around 10k ish... and the next step up is A LOT. Now, if you want to drive an automatic then go for it... those are a little better. Although... what **** drives an automatic? Be a man!
 
They also told me the best way to make them fast is with nitrous... and if you dont want to do that...then its VERY expensive. Building a 10 second DSM is actually cheaper. (thats what they told me)

Well if he is a laser guy and knows his stuff he will be able to tell you exactly the same thing i have after he looks at that eBay listing.

I personally dont know of any car forums that specialize in all cars. If you really want to you can go around the forums sepseratly and make posts like this.

Im giving you a totally 100% fair and honest opinion. No bias here. Just fact.

Peace

Ya, don't want an automatic, lol.
 
Ok, so assuming (for now) that i'm going to be getting a modded DSM; what are some things that i need to watch out for maintenance wise? The reason i ask is that the other guy said modded DSMs are a bad car to neglect.......

Ill pitch in my nickels worth,As far as I know all DSMs are interferance engines,with the exception of I believe the 2.4 in the galant,Ive restored  about 6 DSMs,including a turbo talon,a couple of eclipses,and two "normal" talons(all 4 bangers)..First, either be sure you know when the timing belt was replaced,or have it done as soon as you get the car.This will be an expense youll appreciate as time goes on.If possible get one with a Standard tranny,the automatics are pretty sluggish especially with a 2.0 pulling it.If the car you find has a 6 banger,i suspect it wont matter either way.If you get one that has the cold air intake,be careful in water,Two of the cars I got in the past had this mod,and had ingested water into the intake,took out the engine.The normal cold air intake mods ive seen put the filter really close to the ground,and I can see where it would be a problem.pay attention to cv boots,check for holes,and cracks etc.Dont know much about other mods,as I have in the past removed all the aftermarket stuff,and gone back oem.I have no issues with doing mods,just has been my experience in the past that OEM components seem to last longer,and reliability issues dont show up as often.

I kinda agree with that. Although the one i posted has a Greddy Kevlar Timing belt.. that will last a long f-in time. And anything after 99 was not a DSM... so there are no 6 banger DSMs.

My advice is either get that one... or find one you like and run it through here and we will check it out.

Also, the turbo DSMs dont have cold air intakes.

When buying a car you should always do the following (maybe im missing a couple)

Check the oil (golden brown is good. If its black walk away)

Remove the oil cap and sniff it.. if it smells of gas walk away. Also look for a white "mayo" goop under it.. if that is there.. then walk away.

Check that there is no exhaust smoke... (a little black smoke under hard acceleration is normal)

Always ask for proof of the mods that have been done. Reciepts and shop invoices!

Ask when the timing belt was changed.

If the car has unusually low miles then take a look at the pedals and the shifter.. usually those are the best ways to tell if someone has rolled the clock back.

When test driving remember to go into ALL gears including reverse. And also go full throttle a few times to check the clutch holds well.

Push every tiny little button in the interior make sure everything works.

If you are lucky enough that you are able to get the car on a lift then check for any leaks in the transfer case and any leaks in the CV boots. Check for signs of previous oil leaks... like left overs.

Beware of extremely clean engine bays. That can sometimes mean that they are covering something up... but most of the time they are obsessed with keeping the car clean... (like me and EMonz).
 
Remember that cars with bodykits/big benches on the back have been driven by young kids like us.. and more than likely learned to drive on that car and drive like sh!t. So basically its a fair assumtion that the car has been beaten to piss. Stay away from cars with bodykits and all that gay crap.

Damn...couldnt have said it better myself....what he said!

OK, cool.
 
So if i did buy something like this, what are some things i need to keep maintained, cleaned and checked?
 
Would a car inspector do a good job of checking the car?
 
Also, how did you find that talon? Did you use Google, and if so, what did you type in for the search?

Here is how i find a suitable candadate:
 
Ebay.com --> Search: Eclipse GSX --> Order highest price first --> Check all the listings -->
 
What you look for ... is an engine with Forged rods and pistons.
 
I would recomend changing the oil every 3k miles with 100% synthetic. Change the timing belt every 60K (ask when it was changed) Change the trans fluid at 60K.
 
Just dont do anything half ass

So something like this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mitsubishi-Eclipse-GSX-Eclipse-Gsx-Forged-6-bolt-AWD-Turbo-5spd_W0QQitemZ280098841600QQcategoryZ6352QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
This would probably be quite a bit more than 7K...
 
What do you think the HP would be if he didn't use racing fuel?

Yes thats a perfect candadate. I had actually seen it before...  The reason i didnt pick that the first time is that it has more power. They are pretty easy cars to drive.. so if you think you can handle it... who am i to say you cant. If you want less power then all you have to do is turn the boost down... just the flick of a knob.
 
The 397 was on pump gas dude
 
You would be suprised... i dont think that will go for much more than 7 actually.

Pump gas? Oh well i feel stupid now; i guess i got the boost and gas mixed up......lol.
 
How often to cars that have the same performance and look that good go up for sale? I otherworlds, am i totally waisting a good opportunity on not looking into that car, or will there be many others like that?

There will be many others. I see about 1 a week.
 
This week there is 2... that green one.. and the red one.

OK, just to make sure i didn't go in a complete circle: are one of these cars going to be much more reliable and easier to maintain than a 3000GT VR4?

YES!!!
 
All VR4s before 94 have bottom end problems... they commonly spin bearings and thats expensive! They are also very hard to work on because the engine bay is cramped... not to mention they are very heavy. Also, the ones we talked about (the green and red one) are built very strong... and a fully built VR4 like that will run you about 20k... and it wont be any faster.

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OK, just to make sure i didn't go in a complete circle: are one of these cars going to be much more reliable and easier to maintain than a 3000GT VR4?

 
YES! Without any doubt! Sorry, Stealth/3KGT owners but even the DSMs are more reliable...

Yeah...I've had nothing but problems with mine... *cough-bullshit-cough*

Somehow...my 92 has never had problems with the bottom end...neither does anyone who takes care of their car.  The only thing you people have said that is true is that they are heavy...

You're right Sebba about costing 20k and not being any faster...but it will look a hell of lot better.
(Beauty is in the eye...I know.)