Successful Remote starter install 07 XLS

hey guys,
 
for those wanting to install a remote start for their XLS...i had mine done recently and am pretty happy happy with the results
 
i had a Compustar P2W900FMR  (remote start only) put in and my installer was able to preserve the functionality of mitus's FAST key
im able to remotely start/ kill the car's engine as well as lock/ unlock the car's doors using the same
BUT, should i choose unlock the car's doors  after having it remotely started...i can
so what i do is remotely start the engine, walk to the car , grab the door handles, open and get in
 
there are several catches however..
1. i had to sacrifice one of my emergency keys. this is due to the presence of the RF chip built unto the emergency key which the car needs to see enable it to be remotely started
2. once in, to be able to drive off you have to either ....A) step on the brake, engine stalls...then re-start the engine by turning the key knob (like you normally do), then drive away. OR B) get inside, pop off the key cylinder cover, slide in your other emergency key, give it a turn, the car defaults back to mitsu's management systems (or whatever you call it), then drive away
 
personally, i always use option A for convinience. option B is, right off hand, time consuming
interestingly enough, i passed by my local mitsu dealer to find out how much would a replacement key costs...they tell me $90 for programming the key and another $120 something for the replacement emergency key   
 
so far im happy with the install and how the integration turned out
it wasnt exactly cheap, i paid 420 plus box for everything but as it turned out, i should have been charged $120 more because they misquoted me for the starter bypass kit they used
they ended up using a CAN-SL2 module by Fortin Electronic Systems...and from what i was told the module was basically plug and play
initially they were suppossed to use something else, but when they pulled the panel off what they had was totally incompatible
as experienced as they were...apparantly this was their first stater install on a 2nd gen outlander
lucky me, i guess
 
i hope this info helps on those wanting to have remotes start installed
 

btw, here are the links to the equip used:
 
http://www.compustar.com/main.htm
 
http://bypasskits.fortinautoradio.com/vehicles/2007/mitsubishi/outlander/

The only downside to this is that there is a "chipped" key inside the vehicle at all times now...rendering the engine imobilizer useless.

tcp,
 
that was actually one of the biggest issues that hindered me from getting it earlier
but after a healthy discussion with my installer, they guaranteed me that the immobilizer will still work
i got lost with all the techy stuff...and i just decided to trust them (since they were very good in answering all my queries)
so when the starter was put in, i readily tested if itll still looked for the FAST key/chipped key...and for some reason, it still did
 
without the FAST key on you remotely(compustar) start the car, remotely unlock the door, get in, step on the brake to stall the engine, then try to turn the key knob to re-start....it wont budge and the info screen displays key missing
 
in another situation, start the car's engine either way, get in the car w/ the FAST key on you, the info screen remains as is...BUT once you get off the car while the engine is still running...the info screen alerts you "key location" or "confirmation" or something
 
i havent tried driving the car away without the FAST key on me, but the 2 situations above lead me to believe that the engine immobilizer will still work
 
will just have to actually try it though to be 100% sure

My starter is going in this Friday.  It's a Command Start 2-way.   It will also be using the CAN SL2 bus protocol unit from Fortin (That's for the alarm disarm, locks, tach, trunk, etc.)
 
But Fortin also has a transponder bypass called the PATS-MITS2.  In fact it is on the same page as the link you provided above.  It does not require a Key according to the documentation.  I guess I will find out on Friday.  It may require programming at the dealership.
 
Here is the documentation for the transponder:
http://bypasskits.fortinautoradio.com/download.php?productmanualid=568
 
I'll post back soon about the success or non-success of this install. 
 

So your saying that the option you go with (out of the 2), you can remote start, get in with the fast key, but then the engine will stall, so you have to re-start??
 
If thats the case, deff some pluses and minuses with remote start and our outtie...

By the way, what is an emergency key?  I have a 2008 XLS with a smart key.  My FOB has a steel key inserted into it that I can remove, however, I must insert it backside into the fob to use it.  The key alone is not "chipped" and therefore cannot start the car without the FOB being present.
 
The 2008 XLS has two complete FOBs like this.  Do you have FOBs and a seperate valet-type key?
 
I believe your 2007 FOB is different.  See pics of mine:


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um, i dont have one of those keys, why didnt i get one? because its just an LS?

dekodan,
 
yup, i was able to look up the PATS Mitsu module on the fortin site, AND your right that it seems it doesnt require you to sacrifice a key
my installer suggested to go with the CAN-SL2 module so i can get more out of the starter than just start/ kill the engine, among which include locking/ unlocking and panic from a greater distance than what the FAST key can reach
 
tdford,
 
yup its not a perfect system but works out pretty good
i was told though that option be is pretty much what you normally do, in general, to be able to be able to drive off when you have a conventional key 

wow your FAST key is exactly like the Lancer's key
the emergency im referring to is the same thing that slides out, but the 07 has a plastic base (where you hold the key)
its suppossed to house the key's RF chip ( i was told)

Couple of comments:
 
 
1. The PATS-MITS2 is not an alternative to the CAN-SL2.  They are two different things.  The first is a key transponder bypass and the second is the BUS protocol translator to do all the things mentioned above (doors, alarm, tach,etc).  I will have both.  Tomorrow is the install, my fingers are crossed.
 
2. So the 07 smart keys have the slide out key with the chip in the plastic housing on the key itself.  The 08 has the slide out key like in the images I posted.  However, the transponder chip is in the Smart Key itself, not on the key.  The key alone cannot start the car (I tried).  The key needs to be slid into the smart key, backside in FOB, teeth out and then insert in the ignition and turn.  Interesting.  Wonder why they changed this.

The different modules that guys are talking about actually have the same frequency as would the key so in a sense a signal to the comp that the key is in the ing. so it will start. The ones you use a spare key are just universal moduals and would work on just about any car, but if you don't want to get a spare key made to put in there you could just use the spefic modual for that car. A lot of them now are switching over to be computer program so that way you can have a universal modual made spefic for what ever car. I work at Best Buy as mobile installer and I can't say how much this has made my life easier. 

hmmm, interesting inputs dekodan and N/Teclipse
 
dekodan,
pls do update us on your remote starter install, id like to learn more on the technical aspects of stuff like this since in concerns our cars that we practically use everyday
just a clarification though, so youll be putting in both the PATS and CAN modules? or youll have a module that does both?
 
N/Teclipse,
so your saying there is still a way to get my "emergency" key back and just have that "universal" module made/ installed to have the remote start functioning the way it is?
where do i go for this? any links for any technical info or diagrams that i can show my installers so they can try it on  my car?
if itll cost much less than having another key made and programmed, i guess its worth a shot...

Here is the key fob for the '07 XLS:


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Further NEWS:
 
I had the starter installed on Friday with both the CAN-SL2 and PAT-MITS2 module.  Good news and bad news.  The unit is working well, the CAN-SL2 is doing its job to talk to the bus to do things like unlock the doors, tach signal, alarm disarm, rearm etc.  However, the PAT-MITS2 module to learn the key and bypass is not working.  The programming of it is very tricky and requires a very precise timing.  The install shop is looking up how to get the timing done right and I am back in Tuesday afternoon (Dec 11th) to try again.
 
As it stands now, the starter is working when I leave the key and fob in the ignition.  Of course, THIS MAKES NO SENSE.  Lol...  But it was for testing purposes only.
 
I'll update with further news after tomorrow.
 
Dan
 
 

OK, further news:
 
Still no success..  Went to my installer, they could not get the PAT-MITS2 to program because Canadian 2008 vehicles in Canada fall under the new Transport Canada Immobilizer regulations.  Key's (and transponders) can no longer be programmed outside of a dealership.
 
So I called my Mitsubishi dealership and they were well aware of this information.  I should have checked with them first.  Oh well, it's just costing me cash, time and gas.  On the bright side, I get to drive my Outlander and enjoy Sirius radio a lot.  LOL
 
So, plan C or is it plan D now?  Anyway, going to Mitsubishi with my PAT-MITS2 transponder to be programmed.  Of course, all my F.A.S.T. keys (2) have to be reporgrammed at the same time.  If this works, I'll be in business.  If it does not, my last resort is to do exactly the same as the first post in this thread, use a key.  In my case, that would mean buying a $175 key from Mitsu and have them program it.  Then it will be placed under the steering column.
 
So more news to come tomorrow.  Mitsu at 12pm, installer at 2pm.  3rd time lucky ?
 
We'll see.
 
For once, I am a guinea pig; usually I am reading posts to avoid these situations.
 
LOL
Dan

nice to hear that your remote start is up and running
had a recent talk with my installer and, as it turns out, they chose to use my emergency key over the PATS module mainly because of the apprehension that they may not be able to program it they way it should
i would have liked it if there was some way that i didnt have to sacrifice a key to have remote start, theyre freaking expensive..
 
hope everything works out ok for you
 

SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
PATS-MITSUBISHI2 Transponder took the codes today no problem at the dealership!  Much cheaper option than buying a new key which by the way, in the case of the XLS is $175 for the key and programming at my dealer + tax.  My PATS-MITSUBISHI2 module from fortin was very in expensive plus $69 to have the dealer program my FAST keys and the transponder.  Essentially 1 hour shop time.
 
So the remote starter is fully functional.  I have locks, defroster, arm-disrarm alarm, etc.
 
1. So, I can start the car no problem.
2. I can approach the car with FAST key in pocket, open the doors, no problem.
3. Same problem as the initial post, when entering the car, as soon as I step on the brake, the starter cuts out, have to restart with the key cover.  Optionally, as mentioned before, I can remove the key cover and place the metal key in the ignition and turn to ign.  However, as stated before, that's a pain in the a$$.  I prefer to restart the car.
 
Defrost, if anyone is interested has to be tapped in at the relay switch at the fuse breaker box.  The harness connected to the back of the defrost button itself is a pure DATA bus line and cannot be triggered without dismantling the switch and hard wiring a relay to it.  The heated mirrors kick in too!
 
Bottom, line, I am very happy with the setup after all these trials.  I hope the information in this thread is going to help people out; it's a damn complicated setup.
 
Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing the PATS-MITSUBISHI2 transponder and the CAN-SL2 Bus, Fortin DOES NOT sell to the public.  You can only buy the components through an authorized dealer.  However, PM me and I can buy them for you and ship them to you at special pricing.  I have an inside connection.  The PATS-MITSUBISHI2 transponder cost + programming at your dealership will cost you less than buying a new key and getting it programmed.  It's also a better option than sacrificing your emergency key if you have one.  The 2008 XLS does not come with that; only two FAST keys which I am sure no one wants to sacrifice. 
 
If you're in the Ottawa Ontario region, I can refer you to my installer who is now intimitely acquainted with the 2008 Outlander XLS...
 
Cheers,
Dan
 

I guess I'll wait 'till an aftermarket remote starter/security system released with built-in transponder bypass.
 
I consider security of the car with this kind of setup, mentioned by 'dekodan' and others compromised for the following reasons:
1. Presence of immobilizer bypass (equivalent to a transponder key kept in the car).
One can easily figure how to supply 12 volt to this PAT-MITS2 box permanently with couple of jumper wires rendering imobilizer part useless.
2. breaking the ignition lock is always possible and would be the only thing to stop thieves now.
 
My ideal setup would look like:
 
A remote starter/alarm system that can communicate with ECU just as a transponder key, eliminating the RF coil and other factory installed parts, 
also CAN-SL2 enabled to access/control other important functions. Thus, completely eliminating factory transponders and making an armed car impossible to crank/start without remote controller.
 
Setup that might work Ok:
 
A remote starter/alarm with user replaceable/configurable PAT-MITS2 module inside one tamperproof enclosure. This should be more secure.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Any comments from experts will be greatly appreciated and considered.

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I guess I'll wait 'till an aftermarket remote starter/security system released with built-in transponder bypass.

I consider security of the car with this kind of setup, mentioned by 'dekodan' and others compromised for the following reasons:
1. Presence of immobilizer bypass (equivalent to a transponder key kept in the car).
One can easily figure how to supply 12 volt to this PAT-MITS2 box permanently with couple of jumper wires rendering imobilizer part useless.
2. breaking the ignition lock is always possible and would be the only thing to stop thieves now.

 
My only comment to this is that if someone wanted my Outlander that badly, they will get it.  If you ask any professional install shop if they could get through "the system", they could.  A pro thief could do the same.  Also, there are flatbed tow trucks...
 
I wouldn't get too paranoid about this.

True enough, in fact, mitsus don't get stolen very often.
I'm still looking for alternatives on intelligent system as mentioned.
Why would I make it easier for somebody to crack my car? It's secure enough from factory, just lacking some luxury/convenience options.
BTW, could somebody get me a link to wiring diagrams for the Outlander08?
I'm still up to DIY install, once I selected proper gear.
Thanks for all your useful input.

here's an interesting finding related to my remote starter install...
so i had to sacrifice a key for the starter to work...so this left me with 1 fast key remote with out the oem emergency key
went to pep boys the other day and had my key copied
without using my remote starter...i approached the car, doors opened, stepped in, then tried to start using the "copied key"...it fit right in BUT the engine woulndt crank
of course it didnt have the rf chip on it so it was expected
BUT, while inside the car, turned on the engine via remote start...used the "copied key" to try and drive away with the car...it worked!
 
im not sure if its a good or a bad thing..but i have a spare key now that only cost me 3 bucks that can open my doors, glove compartment  and can drive the car away with only when the car is remotely started.

Hi i am going to attempt to install a remote starter on my 07 outlander I have installed many before on other types of cars with and without Transponder bypass modules. I am not having any luck finding a Vehicle wiring Chart for the 07 outlander I can only find up to the 06 outlander, 07 i belive is different. Can someone please post the 07 Outlander wiring chart for a remote start. Thanks.