Turbo!!!!

Hi there, I drive a 1996 eclipse gs, with a 420A engine. I wanted to know, what I would have to do, so that my engine could hold a turbo, with a 80mm flange, which means it's probably a stage 5 turbo. Would it be easier to just build up a 1 gen motor? If so, what would i have to do, for it to be able to hold that kinda boost. I'm talking about more than a 25 pound boost. Because i want to break into the high nines. Would it be possible to use a side-mount intercooler, or would it be too weak? A side-mount would be ideal, because i want to make it a sleeper.
thanks a lot in advanced

Im not sure but I get the feeling your not even serious

I dont think the 420a will ever be possible to make 9s. never done yet. The 4G63 motor cant be swapped into it so scratch that idea. and to run 25PSI I dont think a sidemount is a good idea.


In all honesty I alot of the things you want are not realistic(no offense) you can turbo the 420a motor but you need a rebuild with internals that are boost friendly (search we have talked about this 5zillion times in the past month) and after that you can make HUGE HP on them because of the lack of aftermarket parts that are needed for big time HP turbo cars.

as for the stage 5 there is no such thing per say, the staging is buy a group of upgrades that come together.

search the forums a little more and alot of your questions have been answered already

The fastest 420a eclipse I have ever seen was mid 10's... that was with over 20g in mods(hahn race craft owns it).

If you want to go 9's get a car with a bigger motor, ls1, lt1.... soemthing with a v8.

Not saying that its not possible but you could buy a 03 cobra and put 5k in motor parts and be low 10's where a 6 bolt you would need a stroker kit, built everything, the biggest fmic money can buy, a crazy fuel setup, ect...I am guessing at the minimum 15,000 dollars, not including the cost of the car, labor to install parts, shipping, and general matanince.

The EVOs are hitting 9.9 and 9.8s with a built 2.0L bottom end on the GT35r turbo kit many with tons of head work on top of that, the turbo kit alone is over $4k then the entire motor build up would have to be another $6k at least and if it is a 2.3L bottom end then even more $$$

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ORIGINAL: StreetAlliance

Hi there, I drive a 1996 eclipse gs, with a 420A engine. I wanted to know, what I would have to do, so that my engine could hold a turbo, with a 80mm flange, which means it's probably a stage 5 turbo. Would it be easier to just build up a 1 gen motor? If so, what would i have to do, for it to be able to hold that kinda boost. I'm talking about more than a 25 pound boost. Because i want to break into the high nines. Would it be possible to use a side-mount intercooler, or would it be too weak? A side-mount would be ideal, because i want to make it a sleeper.
thanks a lot in advanced

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didnt want to say it but yeah its a little rediclous.

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ORIGINAL: slow420a

I didnt want to say it but yeah its a little rediclous.

that is why I said I wasnt sure if the thread was even serious and that everything he said was unrealistic (trying to be nice thats all)

What is your reason for trying to get your "GS" that fast? Did you make a bet? Independently wealthy? Trying to set some records?

Damn man I would set yourself some more realistic goals like 12s if you are planning to stick with the 420A. Even then you would need a built motor and a very nicely built turbo system, good fuel system, and good tuning. And by good tuning I mean either Portfueler or MegaSquirt and some good driving to go along with it. I'm all for making the 420A into a quick street car but breaking past 10 seconds is never going to happen unless you invest a ridiculous amount of money into it, and by ridiculous I mean RIDICULOUS. By the way, you will need more things that what I listed those are just the basics, you also have to consider exhaust, ignition, etc...

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ORIGINAL: slow420a

I didnt want to say it but yeah its a little rediclous.

A LITTLE!!!! Come on lets be real here..... because he's not, I'm praying hes not.

I think you all scared this guy off. hahahaha.

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ORIGINAL: PooT_Nation

I think you all scared this guy off. hahahaha.

yea it looks that way huh?

I think he was just curious if it were even possible.

I would say it would be possible if they made an AWD version of the 420A Eclipse/talon. THAT would be awesome!

In my origanal reply I said im not sure if your even serious because it sounded to like someon from another forum trying to a wise guy and come over here. Not saying that is the case it may not be but you never know when he hasnt replied back to this thread or posted anywhere else

Na he posted in another forum after wards and he also loged in yestorday.

Even if you made your GS an AWD, you wouldnt be touching 9's...

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ORIGINAL: TheAdvocate

Even if you made your GS an AWD, you wouldnt be touching 9's...

i fully agree. plus I heard somewhere that when you start running 9's or somewhere around there you have enough power to life the front end off the ground. i know that's for RWD cars, but a FWD car doing 9's. whoof gotta have a lot of weight in the front end to keep the tires sticking.

just to let u guys know. it doesn't matter how much horses u have to lift ur car off the ground. U just need ridicolous amount of torque. By the way, I say **** it, i'm selling my car, cuz my brother rear ended me, and snapped my uni-frame. And I know it ain't worth it to fix it, cuz I odn't feel like putting the time and effort into it. So i wanna upgrade to a gsx.
ps: no matter what u guys say, it would never scare me away, I'm just trying to learn from all u guys, but if u wanna be assholes about it, then it ain't worth it from me. Even though, u guys know a lot.On the other hand, I've never had enough money to buy a better eclipse, which i apoligize for. I'm 17 years old, live with my mom who struggles to pay rent, so i help out, and pay for everything i have. So if u guys wanna keep makin' fun of me go ahead.

wow man, chill just saying (s is not gonna happen EVOs struggle to get there it takes $20k or more to get there. the 420a just has no chance to get there on even that budget

Holy Crap. We arn't trying to make fun of you. We just said that it is impossible to do. Here is what might be something you can actually achieve though with a 420a

http://www.mitsubishiforum.com/m_51781/tm.htm

We will help you in any way that we can. Just ask good questions. We didn't try to be mean its just that sometimes we get people on here that come on just to try and mess with us by asking dumb questions and really dont even want an answer. they are just here to try and piss us off. Sorry if you took offense to it.

sorry for taking offense, but i realized, that I'm better off just selling it, and working my ass of to be able to buy a gsx. another question i had was, when i rev to 2000 rpm's, and drop the clutch, when racing, my car spins out a lil bit, then there's a second of pause, then after that it takes off. I was wondering, y there's a pause there. and also wondering, if i replace my throttle body, do i have to relpace my sensors?

that little pause is prob either wheels still hoping or your rpms dropping down fron spinning. and what are you replacing the throttle body for? it is bad or broke?

And Ill agree with you about the GSX it has much more potencial than the 420a but if I were you id just buy a cheap 1G 90-92 GSX and mod that they have better motors than the 2Gs. It all comes down to looks I guess me personally I like the look of the slpeerish 1G over the 2G anyway

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ORIGINAL: EMonz57

that little pause is prob either wheels still hoping or your rpms dropping down fron spinning. and what are you replacing the throttle body for? it is bad or broke?

And Ill agree with you about the GSX it has much more potencial than the 420a but if I were you id just buy a cheap 1G 90-92 GSX and mod that they have better motors than the 2Gs. It all comes down to looks I guess me personally I like the look of the slpeerish 1G over the 2G anyway

And yet again, we meet Emonz. Sorry, but I think the sleeper 2Gs are so much better. I met a guy who owned a 2g GSX the other day. Funny story for another forum conversation. anyway, the outside looked all stock, had the RS looking spoiler and a nice paint job, that's it. That's until you popped the hood. Had the upgraded turbo, all the bells and whisles that came with it, and had some exhaust that wasn't loud. a nice deep tone, that's about it. Seriously, if i pulled up to this guy and felt like racing him i'd be sure i had this RS beat. That's until he launched on my ass and i heard the BOV. hahaha.
The 1g eclipses...eh...don't get me wrong, i respect my elders and they're fast and sick cars...but i think it'd choose a 2G over a 1G anyday. That is my story and i"m stickin' with it.

BTW emonz, I really don't go looking around forums to disagree with you. i just happens. hahahaha

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ORIGINAL: PooT_Nation

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ORIGINAL: EMonz57

that little pause is prob either wheels still hoping or your rpms dropping down fron spinning. and what are you replacing the throttle body for? it is bad or broke?

And Ill agree with you about the GSX it has much more potencial than the 420a but if I were you id just buy a cheap 1G 90-92 GSX and mod that they have better motors than the 2Gs. It all comes down to looks I guess me personally I like the look of the slpeerish 1G over the 2G anyway

And yet again, we meet Emonz. Sorry, but I think the sleeper 2Gs are so much better. I met a guy who owned a 2g GSX the other day. Funny story for another forum conversation. anyway, the outside looked all stock, had the RS looking spoiler and a nice paint job, that's it. That's until you popped the hood. Had the upgraded turbo, all the bells and whisles that came with it, and had some exhaust that wasn't loud. a nice deep tone, that's about it. Seriously, if i pulled up to this guy and felt like racing him i'd be sure i had this RS beat. That's until he launched on my ass and i heard the BOV. hahaha.
The 1g eclipses...eh...don't get me wrong, i respect my elders and they're fast and sick cars...but i think it'd choose a 2G over a 1G anyday. That is my story and i"m stickin' with it.

BTW emonz, I really don't go looking around forums to disagree with you. i just happens. hahahaha

Ahahahaha I new this one was coming. But side by side a 2g and 1G GSX the 1G looks slower because it has old styling that many people dont like I for one love the wing and the shape of the car. The 1G also has the stock 6 bolt bottom end.