Turbo Possibility

95talonesi

1/16/2008 9:47:14 AM

420 a puts out 146 i belive and dont run any more then 8 psi on stock internals. the stuf you need for a relible good preformance is
set of good pistons i going with the je forged pistons with 8;1 comp. eagle rods h beams
turbo cams
computer for opt. tuning
wide band a/f
boost gage
oil psi
colant tem
650 inj with inj box
turbo with external wast gate
bov that chan handle your build
intake manifold
complet 3" exaust
"good tires"
forged crank
lighter flywheel
obx oil pan (has the bung for oil line for turbo)
fmic
piping
air filter kit
upgrade cluch
oil lines braded tap into the oil vally for turbo oiling
head work valves porting and polishing reserface (not shave)
keep your comp. has low as posible
main and rod bearings
biger thortle body
3 bar map sens.
underdrive pullys
afer all this a good set of cv shafts
trany gone threw strengting up
and shoot for the moon and have fun

dorian7

1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM

quote:

ORIGINAL: 95talonesi

420 a puts out 146 i belive and dont run any more then 8 psi on stock internals. the stuf you need for a relible good preformance is
set of good pistons i going with the je forged pistons with 8;1 comp. eagle rods h beams
turbo cams
computer for opt. tuning
wide band a/f
boost gage
oil psi
colant tem
650 inj with inj box
turbo with external wast gate
bov that chan handle your build
intake manifold
complet 3" exaust
"good tires"
forged crank
lighter flywheel
obx oil pan (has the bung for oil line for turbo)
fmic
piping
air filter kit
upgrade cluch
oil lines braded tap into the oil vally for turbo oiling
head work valves porting and polishing reserface (not shave)
keep your comp. has low as posible
main and rod bearings
biger thortle body
3 bar map sens.
underdrive pullys
afer all this a good set of cv shafts
trany gone threw strengting up
and shoot for the moon and have fun

This is a pretty good list you are going to need almost all of that.

96420ars

1/16/2008 12:40:42 PM

wonderfullll, hahaha, this is gonna take a lil more time than i thought

ohh well, haha, but ya alright, i prob am gonna end up goin off of that list for the most part then for what i should look into getting, but ya ive actually already been planning on gettin some of those things soon, such as a full catback + header, i already have a short ram(which will be gone when i put the turbo on right? cause the turbo pipe goes to the TB, correct?), and then i need a new clutch soon so i think im gettin a stage 2 for it, and then not to do with the turbo but im gettin a full suspension, struts and lowering springs, but ill start to get into the parts here soon i think, just need to get some more money

haha, but ya this should be a fun project to get going over the summer, hopefully get done by the end and then i can start college with a built turbo 420a with like 250@ the wheels

now that would be sickk, haha, i doubt ill get that much from a 420a tho, i think im gonna end up gettin a new block from what i have now and then puttin on a 4g63 head, would that work or should i just stick with an entirely new 420a and build it?

also, what # injectors should i get? and like what a 255lph pump or what exactly should i try and go with on this?

TheEngineer

1/16/2008 2:27:09 PM

you only need ALL of that stuff if you plan on running more than 8psi like he said. But for under 8 psi you should be able to stay with the stock internals.

96420ars

1/16/2008 3:22:42 PM

alright, well im still not sure whether im gonna just stay stock internals and keep it at 8 all the time or im really thinkin i just wanna build it now and have all the hp that ill ever need with the thing, hahaha, but then again im prob only gonna have the money to get the new 420a and the turbo and then that basic stuff to support it, yea im just gonna do that, then start saving again and then hopefully next summer after this one ill be able to do the rest and have a beast of a base model eclipse, hahaha

95talonesi

1/16/2008 9:59:49 PM

well injectors depend on alot of things ive got an forumla to find out the injector size but i have to find it in my paper work. but yea i have done alot of rechearch about this topic i am planing on trying to get at least 700 hp out of mine it is a 95 talon esi 5 sp. i got carbon fiber hood x-2 fenders i think 2 inch 1.5 in lowering kit blitz fornt bumper makes a nice fmic bumper and allows more air in i plan on runing 30+ psi but it is a work in progerss i geting the blocked sleeved, forged strocker crank to make it a 2.2 i belive then port polish titunim valves bronz guids stifer valve springs stage 5 cluch limeted slip diff. all the list above and i will crose my fingers and hope i hit over 700 if not time to tare back down and redo it. but i need a carbon fiber doors and rear truck hatch. get ridof as much weight as i can. they will all be painted but the hood. and then i may have to and the famous n2o or nos as some people call it. to get it going alitle faster. but my build will cost about 20000 dallors. and their isnt even going to be tvs in it. just a stero system and speed with looks too i am hoping should be done next winter completed i am hoping.

dorian7

1/16/2008 11:37:49 PM

4G63 head will not go on. the timing belts are on the oppisite sides.

TheEngineer

1/17/2008 6:44:38 AM

bwahahahahahahah 700WHP on a FWD 420a....what a joke. Good luck buddy....what a complete waste that will never happen

Seriously if you ever get near that more power to you. But it would cost a HELLAVALOT more than 20k buddy. Maybe you should go back to the drawing board and look at everything you need. People spend more than that only only get 400whp

96420ars

1/17/2008 7:21:10 AM

ahhh, yea, forgot bout that, hahaha, that pisses me off too tho that the only way i could get a 4g63 motor in there is to cut out the old mounts and put them the way a 4g63 needs them, ohh well, a built 420a with a turbo will do just fine for me, hahaha

the esi is the 420a like mine right? i dont really know the talons well, hahaha, even tho there basically the same car, haha, but ya, woww, 700hp, that sounds like thats gonna be a fun project, idk if your gonna get to that but itll be insane if you do man, best of luck to that, haha

95talonesi

1/17/2008 12:10:21 PM

um u add enogh boost and n2o you can hit that buddy i not talking a streetable car hann racecragt had a talon that will do 9 and hase 600+ hp with out n2o so u do the math wat is 600 + lets say just a 100 hp shot of n20 that = 700 but they did not even strock the motor and it need to be tuned to the tip of a needle and when you can get all the michine work done for free and since i work at a sleeve manf. i am geting specil order sleeves to handle the power. and i run a cnc michine so baiscly i can make custom parts. but yea if you stick more then 20000 in the engin and tranny you are either geting riped off or feel like throwing the money around but i didnt come here to fight i cam to give advice.

EMonz57

1/17/2008 2:48:53 PM

quote:

ORIGINAL: 95talonesi

um u add enogh boost and n2o you can hit that buddy i not talking a streetable car hann racecragt had a talon that will do 9 and hase 600+ hp with out n2o so u do the math wat is 600 + lets say just a 100 hp shot of n20 that = 700 but they did not even strock the motor and it need to be tuned to the tip of a needle and when you can get all the michine work done for free and since i work at a sleeve manf. i am geting specil order sleeves to handle the power. and i run a cnc michine so baiscly i can make custom parts. but yea if you stick more then 20000 in the engin and tranny you are either geting riped off or feel like throwing the money around but i didnt come here to fight i cam to give advice.

$20k is just enough to get an Evo into the 9s. Forget the 420a. It wont happen on that budget not even close. $20k will get you low 11s but not anywhere near 9s. Go re calculate your stuff because you are deff not even close. I have $10k into my Evo and it is only a high 11 sec car. $15k can get me 10s if im lucky.

You have very big dreams. I think you need a reality check honestly. and Im not trying to be a dick about it but im not going to feed into your fire when it is false.

TheEngineer

1/17/2008 3:18:53 PM

i think your forgetting also alot of key things. Like i highly doubt that the stock tranny and axxles are gonna hold up to this kinda power. Let alone how are you gonna have any traction with this. And you think hahn only spent 20k on their shop cars. Also i want to see some proof of this 600hp 9 sec 420a cuz ive never heard of it. I know hahn has the fastest 420a but i didnt think it was in the 9's

EMonz57

1/17/2008 4:11:13 PM

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheEngineer

i think your forgetting also alot of key things. Like i highly doubt that the stock tranny and axxles are gonna hold up to this kinda power. Let alone how are you gonna have any traction with this. And you think hahn only spent 20k on their shop cars. Also i want to see some proof of this 600hp 9 sec 420a cuz ive never heard of it. I know hahn has the fastest 420a but i didnt think it was in the 9's

add to the fact that in order for Evos to reach 9.9X in the 1\4 need 640HP (david buschurs car is 642hp and ran a 9.98) or so and that is on a car that does not suffer from traction issues like FWD.

95talonesi

1/18/2008 10:22:25 AM

go look at some sites the hanna racecraft stage 5 kit cost 9000 and that includes eveyr theing for the motor and ecu intake every thing all left is tranny and suspension and i seen a guys time slip he ran 11.7 with 1.7 at 60 ft with no nitrous just turbo stock tranny no limted slip dif no aft market axles also i dont know were you are looking but your evo **** is about 1.5 to 2 times more money then the **** for the 420a so take you heads out of your a$$ and do some recheach befor you make comets like that alos my car weighs in at roughlfy 2500 lbs and down that track wat good is awd with a good set of drage radils and proper set up it would hook up. and why dont the cars at drages civic and **** dont have awd and once in a wile u will get a fast 1 with the right person behind it. oh to your evo look at totla price i paid 1500 for my talon no dings no dents runing motor every thing fine. forget comparing them to evos evos have differnt eng. tran. body style. every thing budy. but it like comparing a doge hemi to a sbf not even the same enginge. later

EMonz57

1/18/2008 12:11:17 PM

drag radial will NOT hook up with suspension. you need Slicks at 2500LBs and 600+HP drag radials will not hold. Parts for the Evo are not that expensive my friend unless you insist to on buying only HKS parts that is. I can pick up a 42r which is a turbo capible of 1000HP for $2k that doesnt mean after everything is all said and done. trust me $20k is not going to cut it. youll be close but not where you expect I compairing to the Evo because the Evo is a car that actually takes well to mods compaired to the POS 420a motor. the Evo can make 400HP on bolt ons these days. $2k you get 400HP. Dont tell me I need to research I know damn well what it takes to run 9s and make 600-700HP. TRUST ME it is not as simple as slapping in a few mods with a big turbo. Im sure you have done your resrearch but your still too far off with your ideas on price ranges. could careless what you paid for your car that is not relivant. you can go spend $100k on a ZR1 vette and run low 10s if it matters that much. the thing that is funny is your basing off of what the worlds fastest 420a right? Thats like me saying I want 1100HP on my Evo since AMS can do it and they can run nearly 7s so I thats what I am going to do. Is that realistic? come on now. There are very few joe shmoes out there that even come close to the record holding cars weather its a 420a for a Evo or a civic reason being funding, tools, tuning all that stuff.

RCJr9186

1/18/2008 1:38:51 PM

20k.. hmm lets see.
a turbo to push 700whp = apx 1200-1400 right there
intercooler + pipes + bov + quality couplers = 1000
Pistons, Rings, Rods, Bearings, Head Gasket = 1200
Suspension setup to hook up at 700 Fwhp = 2500
Manifold, Downpipe, 3-3.5" exhaust = 1500
EMS = 1500
Head = 2000
Race Transmission = 2200
Race Axels = 500
Gauges, misc electronics = apx 1500
Boost Tunable nitrous system = 1000
TUNING TUNING TUNING = heh 1000-4000
nope loooks like he probably could run about 700whp with 20k invested.
BUT
1. It's FWD so you are looking at a best of probably high 10's - high 11's depending on the driver.
2. You need Slicks to get any traction and Braking system to stop you - additional 3000
3. You would have to install a roll cage if you broke 10.0 - thats another 500-1500
4. You could build the same HP on a GST for half the money and same HP on a GSX for half the money and pick up a second+

Final piece.   If you have a $hitload of money and really don't care where it goes and you can basically use Benjamin's to wipe ur @$$ than nobody in their right mind would want to push a 420a anymore than 200-250whp.

Trade/Sell ur RS/GS,   save 1000,    you can buy 20g 1g GSX's for 2500 these days, that's good for 400whp.

We aren't trying to be mean, just trying to save you the headache that i went through. I was just like you about 2 years ago, i had a:
turbo, manifold, bov, FMIC, IC Piping, SAFCII, Pistons, Rods, Bearings, ARP Studs, Cometic HG, Boost Gauge Wideband, 3" exhaust, custom down pipe. but then realized that i had just spent 2500 dollars on all of this crap (a lot of it was 2nd hand stuff that i got for GREAT deals if not free) and i was only going to be able to push about 210-230whp.   After i installed my forged internals i still couldn't push any more until i got a Walbro 255 fuel pump, stage 3 clutch, injectors, Engine management and a boost controller (which is apx another 1500-2500) and THEN i could run 16-18psi but not until i was tuned... another apx 800-1200 right there.   After that i was hindered by the head, it's only functional to flow up to about 16-18psi on a small turbo, so once i spend another 2000 geting the head where it needed to be i was good up to about 350-370whp until the axels/transmission were toast.... do you get my drift?   We're just trying to save you a lot of money, time, and headache when there are much much much easier, cheaper, less stressful ways of getting to your goal.

TheEngineer

1/18/2008 1:42:56 PM

ok so he ran an 11.7...who cares. thats nothing new to me. What i am getting at is you are talking about something altogether different that that. At an 11.7 that person is maybe at 400hp. You are saying 300hp more than that. There is a HUGE gap there.

And once again i want to see some info on this 600hp hahn car running 9's. Because i have never heard of them reaching that.

And if your talking about the stage V portfueler. That is an upgrade to the other stages. I dont think they sell it separatlly. If they do please provide a link to this because i couldnt find it

Sebba

1/18/2008 5:08:43 PM

Okay, wait a sec here.

If this moron actually thinks this is plausable, why the hell not let him try and fall flat on his face? I know it isnt going to happen, you all know its not going to happen, but who really cares?

What i really don't get, is why the hell you want to do this all with that piece of **** 420a and the gay ass FWD setup, when you have a perfectly good AWD 4G63 platform available.

Seriously, NO car is going to be able to get 9's for anything near 20k.

How can you argue this?

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