Turbo right for 350HP?

I read up a little on the 16G turbo line but have come to some foggy conclusions. On one hand I've got the people selling the Evo III 16g saying that it's "easily capable of 400+ HP" and on the other hand I see actual people saying it's only capable of 340HP.
I'm only looknig for 350HP(to the crank) from a GSX, but room for more in case I get bored of that in the future. I'm definitely intrigued by the 16g turbo line because of its ability to produce horsepower while spooling lower than most turbos out there.
So I just want to know the real numbers behind the Big 16g turbo and the Evo III 16g turbo as those are the 2 that I'm considering at the moment.
Thanks guys.

Well i have to say that the EVO III 16g with the right supporting mods gets maxed out at about 380. Thats a fact. One guy even managed more... but they still say the max is 380.

350 at the crank is easy enough to reach with a 16g...  I saw a 1st gen get dynoed with a big GT35r turbo and was only pushing about 340 at the wheels...   It all depends on the rest of your setup..  With the right setup a 16g can push some good power..  But just throwing the turbo on and not getting good supporting mods you will prolly be low 300's if not under..

Flow Rates @ 15psi:
TDO4-9B-6CM2 265 CFM
TDO5-12A-8CM2 320 CFM
TDO4-13G-5CM2 360 CFM
TEO4-13C-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-13G-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-15C-8.5CM2 390 CFM
TDO5H-14B-6CM2 405 CFM
TDO5H-14G-8CM2 465 CFM
TDO5H-16G-7CM2 505 CFM
TDO5H-16G-10CM2 505 CFM
TDO6-17C-8CM2 550 CFM
TDO6H-20G-14CM2 650 CFM
TDO7S-25G-17CM2 850 CFM
TFO8L-30V-18CM2 1200 CFM

Max Output:
TD05-14B (stock 1st gen) 275-300hp @ 21 psi
TD05-16G (small) 345-365hp @ 22 psi
TD06-16G (large) 365-385hp @ 22 psi
TD06-20G 430-450hp @ 22 psi
T25 (stock 2nd gen) 235-250hp @ ?? psi

20g 750 injectors.....lsd....1g throttle body...dsm link....drag radials....roll cage to stiffen up the chassis..should be gettin 400+ to the wheels....low 12's

lol i'm not building an all out drag GSX. This will be my daily driver. No drags, no rollcages or anything like that.
Stock appearance with about 350chp.
I noticed you didn't mention the 18G, why is that?

I would like a turbo capable of about 400-410hp so that I can push 350 with it, I'd like to stay away from "maxing out" a turbo cause I don't want to constantly be running max boost and straining it and wearing it out if that makes any sense. But I'd like to stay on the smaller side to minimize turbo lag.

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ORIGINAL: Wood
I noticed you didn't mention the 18G, why is that?

'cause if you're looking at the 18g, might as well get the better bang for the buck 20g, but if you're looking at the 20g, might as well get the better bang for the buck .50trim, but if.......................................

FP3052 turbo is one fine piece of middle of the road turbo, but probably a little more turbo than you want.

Yeah, I did some research on the 18G and I just wasn't really impressed.
The 20G is getting even bigger though and I'm trying to avoid that.
There's a couple turbo's for a 90-99 GSX that've caught my eye just recently: the T04B N-trim and the T04B .47 trim
Now I'm a little confused though as to why the N-trim is about $100 more when the .47 trim is supposed to put out slightly more horsepower and is stainless steel.
Both of them however seem to be right in that perfect range that I'm looking for as far as horsepower output. Does anyone have any information about these turbos such as reliability issues, spool time, etc?

Or you could look at the FP3150 .50 trim BB turbo.
 
Don't be scared, a 20g is a good turbo, what are you afraid of?

lol 1Vicious you're such a power-pusher.
Not everyone is looking for 550HP.
And while I have the money I'm not trying to put 20 grand into my car either.
I'm not trying to build a "V8ETR" or anything like that
I just want a nice respectable 300whp on my daily driver. Or maybe a little extra 320whp due to the Eclipses fat diet. That's all lol
So i'm really not aiming for "bigger is better" or "might as well get this bigger turbo as long as i'm at it" or anything like that.

Get the big 16g then if you own a 1g or the FP Big28 if you own a 2g.

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ORIGINAL: Wood
lol 1Vicious you're such a power-pusher.

It's like crack, once you feel it, you're hooked for life.

Its always nice to have room to grow 

Forced performance makes good stuff though..  I would recommend them.

Try this out, new from FP.
 
http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSM18G6SL2&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo

Personally. I think the EVO3-16g is perfectly adiquate for this. It wont be quite maxed out... the lag will be minimal... and as long as you get a 34mm internal gate or an external... you shouldnt have boost creep. Get things ported just to decreace the spool time a little more... and you should have yoruself a very responsive car. 300whp is very easy to make on that turbo without pushing things

True, but it doesn't hurt to have a little growing room.

but more lag... so it does hurt. And thats one of the factors he is trying to avoid

For the size turbos we are talking about, lag is not an issue.

I'm lookin for a turbo to dish out 300whp at no more than 15psi, preferably between 12 and 15. And yes, with a little room to grow cause I know that I may desire to push more than 300whp on an AWD clipse after a while.

Why only 15psi? The motor can safely handle like 23 on stock internals..

Minimize wear & tear on the turbo. Constantly pushing the turbo to it's limit isn't good for it. I have the resources to make the same horsepower out of a turbo with 15psi as I can with a smaller turbo pushing 24psi. Why would I want to strain that poor little turbo so much? That's just setting up for future problems, plus I'd like to be able to push more psi out of my turbo if I really wanted to(such as up the boost when I go to the track).

Well it doesnt quite work like that.. the only time you start to really decrece the life of a turbo is when you go over like 25... 20 is perfectly fine. 20 will last almost as long as 15... seriously the difference is miniscule.... although the logic behind it is good... but with a bigger turbo.. you will be sacrificing a lot of spool time... I think you could make 350 crank hp with about 18ish psi

That 18g one looks like a good choice..  And you would have room to grow for taking it to the track..  But that should spool up fast enough for every day driving...

But im trying to take into consideration his auto x and stuff. I still think the 16g is more than adiquate.

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ORIGINAL: Sebba

But im trying to take into consideration his auto x and stuff. I still think the 16g is more than adiquate.

And that is fine, but I wouldn't expect an auto-x car or road car to stay under 2500rpm at anytime unless you are afraid to take it to the stock rev limit or below. Power & spool follow each other in a "window" of operation. Why be worried about having a car that spools just off idle? You'll run out of turbo before you run out of gear.