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johnthornhill
4/26/2007 11:54:39 PM
I just put a new engine in my 97 Eclipse RS and it will not start. It's getting gus to the fuel rail and the injectors seem to be working but the engine refuses to catch. I am now at a loss to what to do next. Will someone pleas help me?
Sebba
4/26/2007 11:56:19 PM
What was the year of the engine?
johnthornhill
4/26/2007 11:57:20 PM
It was out of a 97 GS
Sebba
4/26/2007 11:58:47 PM
Odd.
Do you have spark?
johnthornhill
4/27/2007 12:01:45 AM
I didn't check. I sprayed starter fluid in the throught and it tryed but still did not catch so I just assumed it was getting fire.
johnthornhill
4/27/2007 12:11:20 AM
You guy's give up on me allready?
Sebba
4/27/2007 12:19:33 AM
I dont think its firing. Dude i cant reply within 10 mins lol.
Its hard to tell without any testing equipment. You need to test the ignition control unit harness and check that its functioning properly. That can only be done with a devic.
Do you have a check engine light?
It might also be the crank angle sensor.
johnthornhill
4/27/2007 12:41:17 AM
I can not remember if the check engine light stayed on or went out I'll have to check that tomorrow.
Is the crank sensor a small black flat round peice of plastic on the front of the cylinder head on the right end?
If it is I broke that and replaced it, is there something I needed to do to it when I replaced it?
And last but not least, what is a devic?
Sorry about the last post I was on a slower machine and could not tell if it was the computer or maybe you had in fact given up on me. Sorry.
Sebba
4/27/2007 12:45:57 AM
Thats the cam angle sensor and that could be causing it too.
I think its one of those sensors. The question is what one. I think it could be the black one that you replaced. Either you replaced it with one thats bad or its the harness. Check the harness to it and make sure its all good and tight. It might be worth changing it again.
Also, check your fuse box for any blown fuses. That could be causing it too.
Then you might want to reset the ECU for good measure. Unplug the negative battery terminal and then turn the ignition to drain any extra power. Then wait about 5-10 mins and reconnect it.
johnthornhill
4/27/2007 12:54:39 AM
Allright I had the battery completly out of the car for close to an hour if not more so I think the ecu should be well reset.
How would I check those two sensors? Can they be checked with a miltmetter or is there some other tool that's going to coast me an are and a leg?
Sebba
4/27/2007 12:55:34 AM
Um... there isnt a tool that i know of. Trial and error.
Did you replace that sensor with a brand new one or a used one?
johnthornhill
4/27/2007 1:19:18 AM
I used the parts from the original engine. Let me tell you what's going on here.
I bought the car from a realitive I knew he had done damage to the engine (when you knock on the oil pan you can hear things go clink clink inside)
so then I got this other engine and droped it into the car, when I tryed to start it, it would not catch. I replaced the fuel rail and injectors from the engine I took out of the car as well as all the other parts that I have replaced. I know the parts from the car were working before so in theroy they should work now right? I could be completly wrong however I don't know.
johnthornhill
4/27/2007 1:20:14 AM
A used one that came off the engine I took out
johnthornhill
4/27/2007 2:25:30 AM
one other thing I forgot to mention.
when the we took the radio out I accadently cut the wireing harness that lead into the the radio and I do remember reading something about some security something involving the factory radio, could this have an impact on the engine not starting????
silvercoupe97
4/29/2007 6:46:37 PM
The radio security is only for the radio bud.
Have you checked to see if you have spark yet? Pull a plug and have someone turn the key while holding the wire (with plug attached) and let the spark arc onto the valve cover. This question that Sebba asked is still unclear.
Next, check your ASD relay found on the firewall, next to the brake resevoir, 2 (fuel and ASD) if you have a manual tranny. Also make sure you have enough power in the battery or you will just start clicking.
Make sure your motor is timed correctly too.
Can't really do too much without knowing if you're actually getting fuel or spark. Another consideration is the computer. Did you swap it out too?
**One more thing, did you use new CAM/CRANK sensors or did you use old parts?**
silvercoupe97
4/29/2007 6:57:32 PM
silvercoupe97
4/29/2007 8:18:14 PM
Check your timing like this..
quote:
Original: rcflyerp51
The 420a timing belt cover has a removable plate at the top of the cover. If you remove this cover plate you can view the cam sprockets. Remove all your spark plugs. Obtain a piece of ½" wood dowel about 1' in length. Place the dowel into #1 cylinder sparkplug hole. Take a half inch ratchet and 19mm socket and turn the crankshaft in the clockwise direction until you or a friend can determine that the #1 piston is to the top of its stroke. Now check the cam sprockets. You are looking for a notch on each of the sprockets and they should be across from each other near where the sprockets are closest together. This only happens once for every two rotations of the crankshaft. So if you don’t see the notches the first time rotate the crankshaft (cw only)until the piston goes down and comes back up on TDC. If the notches are now aligned you are OK.
You don't necessarily need to use a dowel, a screwdriver will work just fine
johnthornhill
4/30/2007 12:40:52 AM
Let's see here. I know there is no fire at the plugs. I have a remote-starter so I can start it from infront of the car.
It'san auto trains .
I used the parts from the old engine.
I will check to see if it's tdc tomorrow and let you know what I find out.
I do have a check engine light and it is going out.
I'm prety sure it's not the battery, and the engine is turning perfectly it's just not starting for me.
I checked the wireing harness that leads into the coil pack, according to the manuial there should be a pulse of energy when starting the engine. betwen the middle connection and the right one there is constant power and between the middle and the left there is nothing.
I have checked the Cam, chank sensor and according to the man. they have a little more restance than they should. also the fuel pump relay has a little higher restance too and when I run power through the two side posts and an ohm meter to the top and bottom I got something like .3 and the book said there should be none.
I think I have covered everything, but if I missed something let me know. And thank you for all the information you've given me.
johnthornhill
5/1/2007 12:45:18 AM
I'm just dropping in to correct myself on something.
The car I put the engine into is a GS and the donner car was a RS I know it's just a little thing but I wanted to correct it.
I'm giving the engine a rest and hopeing that somethin will present itself to me, like I missed a connection or something simmple like that.
I would like to thank everyone that has offered advise to me on this. I may very well bring this back up latter but for right now I'm going to leave it alone before I decide it's not worth the effort.
silvercoupe97
5/1/2007 3:17:06 AM
It's never a bad thing to just step back and take a breather sometimes. If something pops up let us know.
year1lazer
5/10/2007 10:19:37 PM
Is your block at top dead center meaning #1 piston at the top of the head if not your timing is off and it wont start. if that is ok check your coil pack if you have one dont know to much about no turbo eclipse
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