RE: Outlander 07 All-Wheel Control with Advanced 4-Wheel Drive
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RE: Outlander 07 All-Wheel Control with Advanced 4-Whee... - 3/9/2007 1:25:25 AM
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Dave86
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ORIGINAL: dodo2
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In 4 lock, it fully engages the slipper clutch, and drives the rears 50-50, irregardless of slippage.
Acording with Mitsubishi's description of the 4WD system, this statement is not correct.
http://media.mitsubishicars.com/detail?mid=MIT2006083040260&mime=ASC
I'm not trying to start an argument here, but discuss and understand how the system works.
4WD Lock, dos not split the available torque 50-50.
Indeed, at one point, this ratio could be possible, but not all the time.
At one point it could be 70-30 (F-R) or 40-60 (F-R).
I think the confusing part is coming from the fact that Mitsu states that 50% more torque is sent to the rear in 4WD Lock compared to 4WD Auto. But, by no means, this is not that the torque is split 50-50.
Dodo2 - many thanks for the link; I was wondering where dr_max_facts got the info in his original post, and now I know. Nothing pleases me more than to see that his info is a copy of a press release from Mitsubishi themselves!
I've enjoyed reading everyone's posts; I've probably read each one very carefully at least twice! The Outlander's appeal is really growing on me; this may be the subcompact SUV/crossover that I purchase. It's certainly my front runner.
From the article that Dodo2 linked, it says: "In dry conditions, 4WD Lock mode places priority on performance." My interpretation is that yes, you can safely operate the Outlander in "4WD-Lock" on dry pavement. Given info in the chart that appears in the article, however, you will not acheive the best fuel economy in "4WD-Lock".
Well, I will probably read everyone's posts one or two more times very carefully to make sure I have a handle on this. Likewise I'll read the article that Dodo2 linked a couple more times.
Thanks again.
Dave
< Message edited by Dave86 -- 3/9/2007 1:27:17 AM >
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RE: Outlander 07 All-Wheel Control with Advanced 4-Whee... - 3/9/2007 2:06:08 AM
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rcpax
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And indeed we need a "black and white" official statement from Mitsu regarding how this system really works. I am in agreement that the manual offers only the very basic info about the 4WD system. I would also agree that for some people, they won't even bother reading the manual, but this is not reason enough to leave out technical details about how the system works and how it should be operated. While the website is a nice reference, especially it's the official Mitsu website, wouldn't you agree it could have been helpful if that info was on the manual? Or if not on the vehicle owner's manual itself, it should have come as a separate booklet, just like the MMCS (Nav unit booklet). I, for one, wants to know in depth how best I will be able to maximize the use of my cars 4WD system, because I have some off-roading plans for this vehicle too, although not as tough as those where only Pajeros and Landrovers go.
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RE: Outlander 07 All-Wheel Control with Advanced 4-Whee... - 3/9/2007 10:07:55 AM
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buzzfledderjohn
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The whattcar video is incorrect. The assumption of a locked 50-50 split (in a conventional sense) is not correct. Front wheel slippage before torque distribution is not correct. Mitsubishi's own website clearly details how the system works (as pointed out multiple times in this thread):
http://media.mitsubishicars.com/detail?mid=MIT2006083040260&mime=ASC
Its all in this article. The "lock" nomencalture on the dial is a misleading, especially for those of us familiar with old-school 4WD. The new generation of 4WD/AWD systems is redefining these definitions. Its interesting to note that the recent ability to monitor acclerator pedal position and/or drive-by-wire systems has added the ability to make the ECU in these system smarter. Prior to this, the brains of the system were only monitoring the after effects of driver intentions. By keeping an eye on pedal position and in some systems, steering wheel position, the system can react proactively in microseconds to driver intentions as they are happening. Damn smart enginnering.
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RE: Outlander 07 All-Wheel Control with Advanced 4-Whee... - 3/9/2007 10:52:59 AM
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dodo2
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Based on my experience, and this is another example, DO NOT believe everything the reviewers say. Take their comments and check them out for yourself. You will be surprised by how much BS they put out. One recent review of the Outlander, in a big newspaper with a weekly auto section, claimed that the car has a CVT transmission. The reviewer built a whole case around that as how sluggish the Outlander's performance is because of that and of course this was his dislike of the car LOL.
This forum and few others are the best source of information because people get to discuss, analyze and share knowledge about the car they drive every day.
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RE: Outlander 07 All-Wheel Control with Advanced 4-Whee... - 3/9/2007 12:20:39 PM
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Christian1
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I am glad some poeple agree the manual has to cove rmore info on the 4WD system, which by the way, is a good system, I am rather enjoying using it. BUt as someone pointed out, most shmucks don't read the manual, which to me cuts the life of a car by 1/3 as you will do and not do a lot of stuff and end up causing damage or improper car to the vehicle. Dude, reviews on a car help, but since every car is "built differently" (one has a ton of creaks and the other doesn't, one the pedal is stiff, the other is not) I would not reply on their perception of the vehicle's mechanical parts too much. I bet that some people would say they feel no difference between 2WD and 4WD auto. So your perception doesn't really cover all the facts. How could anyone think the Outie has a CVT??? Dude, the transmission is good and very well designed and paired for the engine, but CVT?!?! 
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RE: Outlander 07 All-Wheel Control with Advanced 4-Whee... - 3/9/2007 3:18:50 PM
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dodo2
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"How could anyone think the Outie has a CVT??? Dude, the transmission is good and very well designed and paired for the engine, but CVT?!?! "
My point was NOT to believe EVERYTHING (please note that I did not say ANYTHING) that the reviewers say in their articles, but filter the information for yourself. And this was in response to "Zontarh"'s concern after seeing the review that stated that the 4WD Lock mode in the Outlander splits the torque 50-50 front-rear, which we proved it's not a correct statement.
In addition, to support my point, I've given this other example from a review I've recently read in a newspaper, where the author was stating that the Outlander has a CVT transmission.As we all know, it's incorrect as well.
If I was to believe the review and don't do my homework, I would have thought that indeed, the Outlander has a CVT and I would have not consider it as an option for my purchase.
I hope this time I explained myself good enough.
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