97-01 Evo engine/awd swap?
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97-01 Evo engine/awd swap? - 1/18/2007 2:19:20 AM
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impreziv
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hey everyone. i have been looking at getting a 97-01 Mirage Sedan for a while. kinda as a secondary project. im leaving my current car as it is, and wanting to start something new. i have been trying to find as much info as i can about the Evo/awd swap. but for some reason mirageforums.net is broken, and i cant register to read the posts :(
i've read through this forum, and i can see this question has been asked numerous times, but not alot of info shared (at least i couldnt find any).
i have all the resources to do the conversion, and finding the parts is no problem (i currently own a RHD jdm car, and finding parts in japan is easy for me). i have found a full EVO VI front cut, including rear x-member, rear diff. as well as axles, wheelhubs, brakes, and suspension for all 4 wheels. (the same place also has a few EVO V's, but the VI is the same price)
im looking for someone who has done this conversion themselves. i have a few questions, that so far i have fuzzy answers to.
1. Engine mounts: do either of the factory mirage engines use the same engine mounts as the 4G63? im assuming not, so fabbing them myself might be the only option.
2. Firewall area: does the Mirage firewall accomedate the transfercase, and driveshaft well? will there be any modification needed to clear these?
3. Axles to wheels: how possible is it to swap in the front and rear wheelhubs and brakes from the EVO? if i do, will it also require the EVO suspension?
4. Rear-end: how much work is needed to mount the rear cross-member, and the rear diff? i am not sure how the stock rear subframe looks on the Mirage, but will the EVO rear cross member simply replace what is there? i am going to assume not, and prepare to have to do some welding. can anyone vouch for what kind of work is needed for that?
tommorow i am going to go get myself the most detailed shop manual i can for the Mirage. i have the EVO VI english manual coming in the mail any day now. i am going to study the differences, and find out whats what. just thought i would try to get a heads up from anyone else who has done the conversion.
please dont just respond with "it can be done, but its expensive". im looking for some first-hand (or at least second-hand) experience here. thanks for any answers anyone has.
id love to be able to read up on mirageforums.net, im thats where im going to find the best answers. ill read up there as soon as they fix the site.
< Message edited by impreziv -- 1/18/2007 2:25:52 AM >
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RE: 97-01 Evo engine/awd swap? - 1/18/2007 6:28:47 PM
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Lil Evo
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ORIGINAL: impreziv
hey everyone. i have been looking at getting a 97-01 Mirage Sedan for a while. kinda as a secondary project. im leaving my current car as it is, and wanting to start something new. i have been trying to find as much info as i can about the Evo/awd swap. but for some reason mirageforums.net is broken, and i cant register to read the posts :(
i've read through this forum, and i can see this question has been asked numerous times, but not alot of info shared (at least i couldnt find any).
i have all the resources to do the conversion, and finding the parts is no problem (i currently own a RHD jdm car, and finding parts in japan is easy for me). i have found a full EVO VI front cut, including rear x-member, rear diff. as well as axles, wheelhubs, brakes, and suspension for all 4 wheels. (the same place also has a few EVO V's, but the VI is the same price)
im looking for someone who has done this conversion themselves. i have a few questions, that so far i have fuzzy answers to.
1. Engine mounts: do either of the factory mirage engines use the same engine mounts as the 4G63? im assuming not, so fabbing them myself might be the only option.
2. Firewall area: does the Mirage firewall accomedate the transfercase, and driveshaft well? will there be any modification needed to clear these?
3. Axles to wheels: how possible is it to swap in the front and rear wheelhubs and brakes from the EVO? if i do, will it also require the EVO suspension?
4. Rear-end: how much work is needed to mount the rear cross-member, and the rear diff? i am not sure how the stock rear subframe looks on the Mirage, but will the EVO rear cross member simply replace what is there? i am going to assume not, and prepare to have to do some welding. can anyone vouch for what kind of work is needed for that?
tommorow i am going to go get myself the most detailed shop manual i can for the Mirage. i have the EVO VI english manual coming in the mail any day now. i am going to study the differences, and find out whats what. just thought i would try to get a heads up from anyone else who has done the conversion.
please dont just respond with "it can be done, but its expensive". im looking for some first-hand (or at least second-hand) experience here. thanks for any answers anyone has.
id love to be able to read up on mirageforums.net, im thats where im going to find the best answers. ill read up there as soon as they fix the site.
You're gonna have a hard time finding people that have done a 5th gen swap to the E.V or VI, as far as I know there are only 2 or 3 that have sucessfully completed the swap. From what I've been told (becuase I originally wanted to do this very swap, but it was going to cost way too much), you'll have your work cut out for you. The 5th generation USDM Mirage and JDM Lancer use slightly different chasis, so nothing will be a direct bolt in. You'll need to make your own engine mounts, as well as relocate the battery. Since the USDM Mirage does not operate off the JDM chasis used under the JDM Lancers and GTR's, to the best of my knowledge there will be some custom work when it comes to clearance room for the differential, drive shaft and transfer case. The fire wall may need minor modifications, it's the center hump that I'm thinking may cause problems. A big brake conversion from the 3kgt VR4 is a fairly common mod, so I would assume that the Evo brakes will go in without a problem (just have to watch for rim clearance) and swapping the wheel humbs should be fairly straight foward. I'm thinking that the suspension on the Evo VI is relatively similar to the USDM Mirage, so that might bolt directly in. If not, I'd go with a set of adjustable race coil overs (D2 makes a really nice set for $1400-1500 I think). As far as the rear end goes, I can't give you any info, but I think it would be safe to assume there will be some sort of custom work involved in the instalation of the cross members.
mirageforums.net should be up, I was just there like 10 minutes ago. Good luck, if you got the know how and the bank for it, it's a swap that will murder every factory Evo VIII and IX out there.
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