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RE: Fliters and such..... - 10/11/2007 10:07:44 PM

puddy

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Why not just buy a Mitsubishi oil filter and take it to the AutoZone and when they change your oil tell them you want your filter fitted?

In addition I have seen an aftermarket oil filter blown apart come on guy think here save a few dollars and a oil filter. This part is a major Part for your engine it can live or die by it. If does cause engine damage will the dealer fix it under warranty ? Not sure but here in the UK it will not

Puddy
ps how much testing as fram done on an Outlander to see if it safe to use or have Mitsubishi spent more time testing their parts? Yes you bet they have. Aftermarket oil filter are cheaper because they are a cheap copies

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RE: Fliters and such..... - 10/12/2007 8:09:41 AM

bnilguy

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Short Version:

Mitsubishi filter good? YES.. the only good filter? NO

Long Version:

First off. I'm serious about doing a quality job and using quality products which is why I do it myself. I have done way too much research into what are good products and what are not. I'm not going out looking for the least expensive part I can find.

I'm using a filter purchased at a reputable retailer and made by a long-established, highly-regarded company that makes filters as OEMs and as private labels, guarantees that it meets or exceeds OEM specs, and warranties the engine in a case of a failure caused by the filter.

I personally have never heard of an oil filter exploding either through word of mouth or through researching oil and filter forums. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but the rate has to be ridiculously small out of the millions and millions of aftermarket filters that have been used.

One could argue that a Mitsubishi filter is just a marked up version of an aftermarket filter, because they don't make the filter. Someone has even said that the filter you get from the dealer (at least in the states) isn't the same part number that came from the factory. It's the same filter that is used for many Mitsubishi cars over several years. There is no Outlander specific filter.

If there is something exotic in the Mitsubishi branded filter, I'd love to know what it is. The fact is that if there was a special feature that was required for proper operation, Mitsubishi would have to disclose this in the owner's manual and require that you use their filter, and then according to US Law, they would have to provide the filter FREE OF CHARGE Here's the legal:

Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, 15 U.S.C. SS 2301-1312 (1982), and general principles of the Federal Trade Commission Act, a manufacturer may not require the use of any brand of product (or any other article) unless the manufacturer provides the item free of charge under the terms of the warranty.

I'm in no way knocking the Mitsubishi filter. I'm sure it's a quality product and I would have no problems using one. If it gives someone extra peace of mind, I would recommend that they use it. However, it's not the only quality part out there.

Cheers!

< Message edited by bnilguy -- 10/12/2007 8:23:17 AM >

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RE: Fliters and such..... - 10/12/2007 9:33:28 AM

puddy

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bnilguy

Short Version:

Here's the legal:

Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, 15 U.S.C. SS 2301-1312 (1982), and general principles of the Federal Trade Commission Act, a manufacturer may not require the use of any brand of product (or any other article) unless the manufacturer provides the item free of charge under the terms of the warranty

The legal answer only mean if your engine dies the company providing/selling or making the oil filter entitles you to a free replacement oil filter and not a new or rebuilt engine.

Oh it will take years in US court system to deicide and I bet their lawyers have more money to fight the case than you and if you engine dies and you have your car on finance you will still have to make the payments. Fitting a Mitsubishi filter that cost $5 more would prevent all of this

puddy
ps forward post from the Outlander club forum

I would highly recommend taking the vehicle to Mitsubishi ONLY!!!!
Mine is in the shop right now and it is the first one that they have heard of so far.

Let me elaborate...
Was driving in the mountains last week when all of a sudden the motor started to make a tinking noise. I pulled over and checked the oil because it sounded like an engine that was out of oil. When I checked, it was fine. No leaks out of the bottom drain plug either. Hmmm, everything seemed fine except for the noise. I took it in and they checked all of the oil change items and they were all good. I took the vehicle to a local shop to get the oil changed and to save a little money, but they did not use the mitsubishi part for the oil filter, they used an aftermarket one that is supposed to be a direct replacement.

Mitsubishi told me yesterday that the oil filter could have filtered too much oil and caused damage to the motor. Luckily everything will be warranteed, but the bad news is they are debating whether to rebuild the engine, replace the engine, or ?????? right now.

Everyone should take the outlander to the dealership or buy the parts from the dealership and do it yourself or else....

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RE: Fliters and such..... - 10/13/2007 6:40:21 AM

bnilguy

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Take it to Mitsubishi, so they can use 10w30 oil in a motor made for 5w20..as was done to a forum member? There is no guarantee that a dealer change will meet specs.

The claim by the dealer that the filter was to blame was speculative and the easiest explanation they could find, which doesn't make it true. If the filter was the cause, they could go after the filter manufacturer or the oil change faciltiy to recover the costs, but as far as we know, they didn't pursue that

The warranty on the filter that I use does indeed cover the engine if the filter is the cause of the failure.

I will agree to disagree on this and will be sure to let everyone know if my engine has any problem

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RE: Fliters and such..... - 10/13/2007 6:57:24 AM

chili_g

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quote:

Mitsubishi told me yesterday that the oil filter could have filtered too much oil and caused damage to the motor.

I don't want to get involved in the discussion of filters in general, but what the hell does "filtered too much oil" mean?

Sounds like BS to me.

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RE: Fliters and such..... - 10/13/2007 10:00:05 AM

Radialman4360

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After reading in my manual (page 7-10), they say "Only use high quality replacement filters on this vehicle", and further say that the OEM filter can "withstand a pressure of 256psi" then say that the Mitsu filter is the "best replacement", but nothing mandating that the Mitsu filter is the only one to use. What happens if you do use the OEM filter and a different weight/cheap oil and someting happens? You still stayed with the maintanence intervals.
Like I have said, I don't mind using an OEM filter, nor do I mind taking it to the dealer IF it fits into my plans when I am near that dealership. If someone has an engine failure it is easy to blame the filter or oil that was the culprit, or the place that changed the oil/filter. If the OEM filter is that critical for the engine requirements, then they should state so in the manual and provide that part free of charge, OR design the filter where you ONLY can get it from a dealer and that the Mitsu does not allow outside manufactures to make that part. What the main issue here is what will void your power-train warranty? An aftermarket filter that meets SAE specs, and the OEM specs if it fails? Running sythetic vs mineral based oils? Different weight oils? Changing your oil below specified intervals in the manual?
There are up-sides to have the dealer change your oil. You don't have to worry about getting rid of the used oil/filter, you can walk around the showroom drooling on the new cars, and it costs about the same. The down sides are you have to go during the work week, and trust becomes a factor for us who have done all of our vehicle maintanence before. We are free to choose what we want in the end, we just have to endure the results of our choices.

Rob

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RE: Fliters and such..... - 10/13/2007 11:08:58 AM

puddy

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Mitsubishi UK- Colt Car Company use beding in oil then on the first servce 12000 or 1 year which comes first change the oil to sythetic

My car is a lease car and all cost except fuel costs all paid for me so I do have to follows Mitsubishi service intervals

Puddy

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