RE: ADVANCED TURBO QUESTION
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RE: ADVANCED TURBO QUESTION - 5/12/2006 10:18:48 AM
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tecni
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60 foot was 2.116
Street tires just don't hook up all that well.
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ORIGINAL: slow420a
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ORIGINAL: tecni
Traction is decent. I have 275's in the rear and tein flex coilovers. Best 1/4 mile time was 12.9 @ 109 mph with those toyo t1r.
Not bad at all, what was your 60'?
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RE: ADVANCED TURBO QUESTION - 5/12/2006 11:43:50 AM
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notfried
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if you go to a 20g then you will have to get new intake housings as the biggest you can go with the housings you have is a 19c...but a 19c will also kick you in the pants...
the evo uses a s16g,not a regular 16g
here's a breakdown of some turbo #'s
Turbo guide
Mitsubishi:
16g = 34lb/min
Big 16g = 36lb/min
EVO III Big 16g = 36-40lb/min
20g = 44lb/min
Forced Performance:
Big28 = 37lb/min
FP2544 = 44lb/min (56trim/ dual BB)
Sleeper 16g = 44lb/min
Green = 49lb/min (50 trim)
FP49 = 49lb/min (50 trim, T31 turbine)
Red = 60lb/min (60-1 trim, dyno 520whp)
FP3052 = 52lb/min (dyno 504whp)
FP3065 = 65lb/min (dyno 585whp)
FP58 = 65lb/min (GT40 56 trim comp. wheel, .49A/R PTE, T350 turbine)
AGP:
T28 = 36lb/min (TB03 compressor)
RS43 = 43lb/min (46 trim T04E)
SS44 = 44lb/min (It is a 44lb/min but not a 48trim. It is not a GT30 at
all.
It's special, topsecret, Kevin)
RS49 = 49lb/min (50 trim T04E)
RS60 = 60lb/min (60-1 trim) (claimed 534whp)
RS65 = 65lb/min (56 trim GT40)
DSM Performance/Extreme Turbo:
ETA12 = 36lb/min (S-trim, ETA comp housing)
ETA32 = 48lb/min (50 trim, ETA comp housing)
ETE32 = 48lb/min (50 trim, T04E comp housing)
ETE42 = 50lb/min (60 trim, TO4E)
ETE52 = 55lb/min (60-1 trim, TO4E)
ETE53 = 55lb/min (60-1 trim, T04E)
ETE73 = 72lb/min (T66 comp wheel, T04E)
Buschur Racing:
BR-BIG28 = (claimed 350hp)
BR20G = (TD05/6 hybrid)
BR475 = (No info as of yet)
BR57 = (Garrett T3/T4)
BR500 = (claimed 504whp)
BR580 = (claimed 575whp)
BR675 = (No info as of yet)
Slowboy Racing:
SBR-M50 = 48lb/min (50 trim)
SBR-M60 = 60lb/min (60-1 trim)
SBR-GT10 = 44lb/min (48 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT11 = (No info as of yet)
SBR-GT12 = 55lb/min (56 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT13 = 60lb/min (60 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT14 = 65lb/min (56 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT35R = (No info as of yet)
SBR-GT30R = (No info as of yet)
SBR-G50 = 48lb/min (50 trim, T04E)
SBR-G57 = 55lb/min (56 trim, T04E)
SBR-60-1 = 60lb/min (60-1 trim, T04E)
Frankenstein Turbos:
Frank 1 = 46 trim, 20*clipped TD05H turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 2 = 46 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 50 = 50 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 3 = 54 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 57 = 57 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 4 = 60 trim, 10*clipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 5 = 60 trim, unclipped TD06H turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 6 = 60 trim, unclipped TD06H turbine, TD05H 8cm2 housing
Frank 7 = 60 trim, 10*clipped TD06H turbine, TD05H 8cm2 housing
The following is from the Garrett Catalog:
"R" = Ball bearing; "S" = Special
GT12 = 10lb/min (50trim, .43a/r turbine)
GT15 = 15lb/min (60trim, .35a/r turbine)
GT20 = 20lb/min (55trim, .46a/r turbine)
GT22 = 18=22lb/min (52trim, .56a/r or 60trim, .67a/r turbine)
GT25R = 22lb/min (60trim, .64a/r turbine)
GT28R =24lb/min (60trim, .64a/r turbine)
GT28RS =28lb/min (62trim, .86a/r or .64a/r turbine)
GT30R =55lb/min (56trim, 1.06a/r or .82a/r turbine)
GT32 =35lb/min (52trim, .78a/r or .69a/r turbine)
GT35 = 35lb/min (52trim, 1.18a/r turbine)
GT35R =45lb/min (56trim, 1.06a/r or .82a/r turbine)
GT37 = 36lb/min (52trim, 1.12a/r turbine)
GT40 = 65lb/min (50 or 54trim, .94a/r or 1.34a/r turbine)
GT42 = 60lb/min (53 or 56trim, 1.15a/r trubine)
GT60 = 125lb/min (56trim, 1.47a/r turbine)
The following is from Turbonetics Catalog:
On TO4E Compressor housings:
50-trim = 47lbs/min
54-trim = 45lbs/min
57-trim = 49lbs/min
60-trim = 50lbs/min
T-100 = 180lbs/min
TO4B compressor housing:
60-1 = 65lbs/min
62-1 = 70lbs/min
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Turbine Conversion:
Mitsu = Garrett
6cm2 = .41 a/r
7cm2 = .49 a/r
8cm2 = .57 a/r
9cm2 = .65 a/r
10cm2 = .73 a/r
11cm2 = .81 a/r
12cm2 = .89 a/r
((CM x Cool - 7) / 100 = a/r ratio
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< Message edited by notfried -- 5/12/2006 12:00:33 PM >
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RE: ADVANCED TURBO QUESTION - 5/12/2006 9:46:26 PM
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tecni
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quick update... I bought a greddy oi pressure gauge today so I can monitor the oil pressure going into the turbos. According to a specialist at Redat of North America, the oil psi should be at 40-60 and I'm reading 85-95 on my gauge.
I need to get oil restrictors to slow the flow down.
I was also told I need to go buy a book titled Max Boost by Corky Bell. I heard its a must read for any serious tuner.
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RE: ADVANCED TURBO QUESTION - 5/13/2006 4:38:09 AM
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tecni
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ummm where can I get oil restrictors and are they universal??? Titan is out of them!
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RE: ADVANCED TURBO QUESTION - 5/13/2006 8:12:39 AM
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slow420a
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Check summit racing, they carry all sorts of cool an fittings. I think it may be your line size, is that what greddy gave you? On my car my oil lines were 8an to 6an.
Also get that 60' down to 1.9-1.8(can be done with some nittos N1's or 555r's) and you will probally run a 12.7.
For the s/c-turbo setup. A stock for lightning comes with a root style blower (12psi) and runs the 1/4 mile in 13.9 seconds. A company makes a conversion kit that removes the charger, replaces the intake manifold, and adds one turbo. That set up alone, all stock ecu settings, stock tires, the wastegate set at 10 psi, the lightning will run a 13.2.
A s2000 f22 motor with a supercharger set up will run a high 12, where with a lovefab turbo kit it will run a low 12.
reason: Turbos are hooked into the exaust system, restrict little air flow, and have a much higher peak HP capability then a s/c of similar size. Also superchargers add to centrifical weight. To add boost on a supercharger you (can) add a larger lower pully. So not only are you adding boost, but your also addin a bunch of rotational mass. Yes superchargers give you hp right out of the box, but thats mostly from root style chargers-like that of a lightning- which also suffer from belt slip(lag). Lastly to adjust boost on a turbo all you need to do is adjust a check valve by twiting it, where a supercharger you need to change pullys. I have riden in v8's that were supercharged/turbo, I have rid in 4cyls that were supercharged/turbo, In light of this information and from personal experances I find that a turbo system is far better then any supercharger system.
< Message edited by slow420a -- 5/13/2006 8:13:28 AM >
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RE: ADVANCED TURBO QUESTION - 5/13/2006 2:07:58 PM
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tecni
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hmmm no more smoke!?!?! Yesterday I I bought and installed a Greddy oil filter block adapter ($50.00) so I could easily hook up the Greddy oil pressure gauge and since then I have not seen a single puff of smoke come out of my exhaust?! THat's the ONLY thing I did and the problem seems to have gone away. Damn, I hope this is the end of the smoke!!!!
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